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03 August 2006

Lebanon, Israel, Inaccurate Accusations, Uri Avnery And Gush Shalom ...


We're sick and sodding tired of accusations of anti-semitism being flung about like flipping confetti, in the direction of absolutely anyone daring to stand up and say that they're against Israel's laying waste to Lebanon.

And/or, that they're against the barbaric belief that collective punishment is not only permissible in this enlightened day and age, but actually acceptable.

And/or, that they're against any state sanctioned terrorism at all.

And/or, that they're against serial mass murder and/or the indiscriminate, wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians.

And/or, that they're against any of the continuing war crimes currently being commited on a daily basis.

Now, 'This Old Brit' and Richard have said it several times before, both here and elsewhere -- in fact we're so & so sick of saying it -- but we'll say it again for the benefit of those who may have missed it -- be it by accident or design.

We are NOT anti-Semites. We do NOT hate Jews. We do NOT hate Israelis.

But we DO hate what Israel's government is doing. And, we DO hate Bush and Blair's governments' reactions -- or rather, their entirely inexcusable joint inaction.

Now, pictured above left is a long standing, old Hebrew hero of ours.

His name is Uri Avnery and he's a Jew. He's an Israeli too. One could also quite reasonably claim that Uri Avnery IS
Gush Shalom -- ie; The Peace Bloc.

Here's a recent Uri Avnery related snippit .


"It is rank hypocrisy to assert that the Kana inhabitants have been warned to leave their homes," former MK Uri Avnery said. "From the first day of the war, our army has bombed the roads and whole families were killed on the way. They have concluded that it is safer to stay in a shelter at home than to move on the roads."

Avnery added that a commander who bombs and shells an inhabited area must know such disasters are bound to happen." "The criminal returns to the scene of the crime," commented Gush Shalom spokesman Adam Keller, referring to the massacre that happened in Kana in 1996, when Shimon Peres started a war in Lebanon.

"That massacre compelled Peres to break off his war. The conclusion is that we must stop this war at once, before it is too late."

Opposite, a small counter-demonstration took place. Usually, the fascists of the Kahane group play this role, but this time they were Labor Party members, who support the war completely.

In the course of the demonstration, a special unit of the riot police appeared and for a moment it seemed that they were about to attack the protesters, but they only drove them off the road.

After two and a half weeks of suppressing every voice against the war, this demonstration was covered on TV and the radio.

Read the rest of this piece right here (scroll down a bit), then see some of Uri's demo pics.



Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said, sirs. You came to me highly recommended though I wish I'd found you sooner.

You've said what I've long felt but feared to saynot that I'd have been able to articulate those feelings as well, nor as clearly as you have.

I'll look forward with considerable enthusiasm to your future work, and I'll see to it that others I know hear of you.

Thank you both very much, Old Brit and Richard.

1:43 am  
Anonymous Griffon said...

It is a well said piece, Richard.

I will be more conscious of being more specific about whom I talking about in future to avoid confusion i.e. the leadership and their employers when refering to a country.

AS this author does here-

It's a rather long article so go get a cuppa first. But it is worth the effort. It takes a global view at the contest and so covers a lot of ground. But it covers it very well. For those that bristle at the mention of Marx, I say he has a Marxist point of view, but don't let that put you off.
Marxist futures maybe cloud cookoo land when dealing with human aspirations but their past and presents are usually pretty accurate. IMHO ..... OK, IMNHO

2:52 am  
Anonymous Rosemary said...

Thanks for pointing out the Global Research site, griffon.

I could not identify for sure which article you were referring to (the link was truncated), but I did find another article, recent and quite long, that does quite a job of tracing the history of Hizzb and its role in Lebanon over the years and its acceptance. Also a lot I did not know about the social stucture in Lebanon.

It's similar to Mark's article, but covers a lot of additional information and does not draw conclusions, at least not obviously. The title is: Hizzballah: A Primer. I recommend it.

8:16 am  
Anonymous Griffon said...

Teh link's not actually truncated, Rosemary, althiugh it looks like it. Click on at the beginning of the line and hold down the right button until the highlighted area comes out again on the line underneath. Then back space it tillthe lowerline highlight disapperas and then copuy and paste in to the browser address bar.

Sorry about the complication.

Here's the title and author as well. I often include that but forgot this time.-

"Lebanon, Syria, Iran and the Coming Imperialist Re-Division of the World

by Steve Masterson

August 2, 2006"

Thanks for the heads up on the Hizb Primer, too, Rosemary.

Gert, if you're out there! Could you give me the link that explains how to make the links live, again?


10:36 am  
Blogger Sophia said...

Hi Richard,
Avnery is my hero. he is the only one to not have bowed to Sharon's 'peaceful' gesticulations while Amos OZ, the leader of the peace movement have become a Sharon and a war apologist !

I have written a long argument for a cultural and economic boycott of Israel.

Gert had given me the syntax for making the links live a while ago and I am giving it here:
Before the url: (a href="
After the url: ") or /") And title for the link
After title: (/a)

Where you should replace ( by <
and ) by >
I could not write < and > in the syntax because they are not accpeted in a syntax in the comment space.

11:50 am  
Anonymous bluey said...

You say everything well Old Brit. Not too fancy - not too dumb. The way you write is "real". What you write is "truth".

12:54 pm  
Anonymous Griffon said...

Thanks very much, Sophia.

Oh, and what Bluey said!

1:26 pm  
Anonymous Tom V. said...

The charge of 'anti-Semitism' is an old and by now not too effective rhetorical tool, disingeniously used to intimidate all critics of Israel or some of the less than savory groups of Jews.

I have no patience left for those, who tried to use it against me, (That is still, their first stage counterattack, followed by all sorts of personalized namecalling like 'nazi,' or anything they can say, to tarnish you, during the second phase.) so I give them a brisque and short shrift.

In my experience, this rhetorical tool is usualy quickly abandoned by my opponents, as even they know, that it is not too effective anymore.

1:55 pm  
Anonymous musings said...

Unlike most of the neocons, Avner actually lives in Israel and has a stake in the outcome of a dodgy air war next-door to his home.

I've often read his sane commentary in It gives me hope that these ghoulish powermad frat boys loose in my country will one day fall to a Jew-jitsu move by the likes of Avner and others. I can dream.

2:58 pm  
Anonymous Rex said...

I have a love-hate thing about Eric Margolis
Depending on each piece he writes, half the time I find myself in complete agreement with him - the other half I wonder what he's been smoking.

You should be able to guess what way I've gone with his latest article.

6:04 pm  
Anonymous graniab said...

Hear hear and hats off and gra mo chroi for such a reasonable posting!

7:07 pm  
Blogger bootlian said...

Israel has blown it. Any sympathy they ever had in the world is gone. Pfftt! Gone! Gone up in the smoke of their own bombs.

Btw, I'm talking about Mr & Mrs Average's sympathies, not our respective 'great leaders'.

It defies belief that they dare cry about being victims while doing what they are to others.

And can I add my praise to those of some others? You've come out and said what so many of us have been thinking, but have been biting our tongues over. Well, I won't any more Old Brit ~~ you've shamed me ~~ but I thank you for it.

10:23 pm  
Blogger enigma4ever said...

Thank you for educating people- and helping us think with open minds and hearts....keep up the good work.

7:39 am  
Anonymous Tom V. said...

This is the Declaration of The Brussells Tribunal on August 1st 2006: (Lifted from

Censure Israel Now!

The Brussells Tribunal condemns the State of Israel for its barbaric killing of 56 Lebanese civilians, including many children in Quana. 750 Lebanese have been killed since Israel began its military campaign three weeks ago.

Israel's offensive on the sovereign state of Lebanon is a clear act of agression under international law and is a supreme crime against peace. The indiscriminate mass killing of civilians also constitutes collective punishment, another imputeable crime under international law.

The United States stands accused alongside Israel. It has rushed massive arms deliveries to Israel. Again, it has proven its partiality in the UN Security Council, vetoing all moves towards an immediate ceasefire.

The United States and Israel are acting as one. The illegal pre-emptive war in Iraq was prelude and made possible Israel's campaign of agression on Lebanon. No solution to the crisis can be forthcoming unless the United States is isolated and equally condemned by the international community.

Force cannot justify what law denies. Israel's continued war crimes, which are a staple of its foreign policy and occupation of Palestine, constitute the gravest threat to international peace in decades.

Cont. bellow

3:35 pm  
Anonymous Tom V. said...

Cont from above:

Censure Israel Now! Part 2

It is time for the international community to fulfil its duty and prevent Israel being the exception to the rule of international norms and peaceful aspirations.

Under UN General Assembly resolution 377 of 1950 - the "Uniting for Peace" resolution - the General Assembly is empowered to act where the UN Security Council has failed. The UN General Assembly can and must, as an urgent measure and as a moral imperative, convene an immediate emergency session, condemn the State of Israel and its partner-in-crime and arms supplier, the United States.

Israel must cease all military operations immediately and unconditionaly.

The international community must also stand against US-Israeli plans for the post-agression interjection of an international force in Lebanon. Any "stabilising" force should be stationed on the Israeli side of the Blue Line. Israel is the agressor state and must be restrained. It is the sovereignity of Lebanon, that must be guaranteed.

The Lebanese have the sovereign right to decide how to organise the defence of their territory. Their right to resist is guaranteed by the UN charter and customary international law.

The UN General Assembly should act to implement all UN resolutions regarding Palestine, Israel and Lebanon - including resolution 194, 242 and 425 - and demand the immediate withrawal of Israel from all occupied territories, along with just compensation for all human and material losses.

The Brussells Tribunal calls upon all organisations, institutions, parlaments, governments and individuals to ACT NOW and call for an extraordinary session of the UN General Assembly to condemn Israel's aggression against Lebanon and its continuous war crimes. Inaction or silence is complicity.

The Brussells Tribunal Committee - 01 August 206

4:07 pm  
Anonymous Rosemary said...

Griffon, I've made a cursory read of the Msterson article and saved it for future reference. Thanks.

I checked out the Yahoo group he has set up. A small handful of "members", but no one but Masterson has posted anything. Anyone can read the comments without joining.

I noticed with interest that his focus in one post there on the US dollar and Gold in the World Currency arena almost exactly match what American Libertarians are saying..... fascinating that the sounds of alarm and condemnation are the same from these two (supposed) ends of the political spectrum!

See the DVD film "Money Masters", dsk2

It may seem off-topic here, but it is very much a core part of world domination/control ambitions, something Libertarians want nothing to do with.

Thanks to you and Sophia for the technical information. I've copied Sophia's concise instructions for making "live links" on a Sticky right on my desktop so I could keep it handy. Seems I always forget the right sequence to use.

2:49 am  
Blogger markfromireland said...

Richard are or any of your readers you any good at Jommetry? I can't seem to get it to make sense.

5:36 am  
Anonymous Griffon said...

Rosemary, the currency scam is the biggest scam in history. The banks create our respective money supplies by creating loans. It'a all credit just like you would run up credit at your local corner store except the banks charge every body interest on it. They create booms and depressions simply by increasing or decreasing the money supply. Too easy. They skim off maybe 10% of a country's production EVERY year through this slight of hand.

I have long thought that the banks will cause a world wide currency collapse and then bring in a single world currency based on gold. It'll be the biggest load of nonsense ever but it will make sense to enough people for them to pull it off. The banks have already got themselves set in gold. Hence the long years of depressed prices and the sell off by The Central Banks that are owned by their Governments like Australia's. (the central banks of England, Germany and US are privately owned).

I expect the price of gold to increase even more substantially yet. It has to have enough value to back the world's money supply somehow. Well enough to make it look like it might be feasible, anyway.

I wouldn't be surprised if the govts of the world also made it illegal to privately hold gold as the US government did early last century. Can't remember off hand if it was in the twenties or thirties.

It's getting off topic but it is the single biggest evil in the world today which is saying something. If the world was financed properly, there would be no poverty or starvation. There would also be no obscenely wealthy people who could corrupt our governments and set the world at war. So it's not likely to happen any day soon.

Anyway, rave over and now back to our regular program!

8:12 am  
Blogger markfromireland said...

You can now start raving about water griffon I mean to post this ages ago :-) But have been rather busy writing seminring and family stuff :-)

Here's part of a Debka file report:

"Perhaps the most important gain from the crisis is Israel’s recovery of control over its main sources of water, the Wazani springs in the divided Ghajar village. This was achieved in the early hours of the IDF push in the east. Israel will not cede this asset in a hurry. Worth citing in this regard is defense minister Amir Peretz’s statement Tuesday, 25, after US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice left the Middle East, that Israel would retain control of a security belt in southern Lebanon until a multinational force takes over. "

From the Debka file here I don't know if you know the Debka site it's "semi-official" it's used by the Israeli governemtn especially it's military/security establishment to leak (no pun intended) Debka's worth a look fairly regularly btw you have to hold your nose and try not to barf at the tone and you frequently have to stip out 90% propaganda but the other 10% is worth knowing.

2:34 pm  
Anonymous Tom V. said...

Right on the money griffon, (I enjoyed your ravings) or is it better to be the lowly silver this time, instead of money? Which everyone, including regulators might overlook?

3:22 pm  
Anonymous Griffon said...

I stopped looking at Debka some time ago, Mark. I figured I didn't know enough to be able to tease out the strands of truth with any confidence.

I've been meaning to ask you whether it would be technically and strategically feasible for the Israelis to run a pipeline from the Litani particularly from the point where it gets very close to the Israeli border?

I saw the following further down in that Debka article you linked-

"DEBKAfile’s military sources: The huge explosions that struck South Beirut Tuesday evening were caused by 20 Israeli airborne missiles dropping on large, newly-discovered Hizballah subterranean arms caches, part of this tunnel network.

The force of the secondary blasts attested to their contents and the accuracy of the Israeli intelligence pinpointing of previously unknown weapons bunkers in S. Beirut."

-and wondered if this was covering bullshit for dropping bunker busters.

I liked your Jommetry bit. I was going to comment about square roots and square pegs and then remembered I'd tuned over a new leaf!

3:35 pm  
Anonymous Griffon said...

I'm not sure I understand your question, Tom. But I probably don't know enought to answer it anyway!

3:50 pm  
Anonymous Rosemary said...

griffon, glad to know someone else besides Tom that is familiar with the message in the "Money Masters" DVD film. It's fascinating stuff which Ive wanted to discuss if I could find anyone who would know what I was talking about.

I think the date you were reaching for is much earlier, say 1914, when the U.S. went off the gold standard. Years later it became illegal to own gold coins (also part of the scam).

Apologies, Richard, this is O/T and liable any minute to fall into "Conspiracy Theory" territory, and we've got more than enough conspiracies to worry about. [g]

9:45 am  
Blogger Richard said...

Far, far too kind.

Once again, let me remind everyone that this place wouldn't be what it is without your own invaluable input, which I'm sure is just as appreciated by all those who read but don't comment, as it is by yours truly.

As for raves, rants, o/ts, etc -- everything's welcomed here -- except personal slurs, obvious mischief making and outright lies. I may have missed a category or two but rest assured that common sense & courtesy and This Old Brit's discretion will cover them if/when the need arises.

11:18 am  
Anonymous Griffon said...

Sophi, here is an article supporting Israeli boycott (and hopefully i have got your instructions right!)

(a href="")the boycott article (/a)

1:13 pm  
Anonymous Griffon said...


1:14 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

Griffon, you almost got it spot on. The only things you need to change are the brackets. Instead of the curved type, do the pointed/arrow type. ie: <

and >

5:07 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

5:12 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

Oops! After html - or whatever is the end of the link - put the quotation marks again, and a pointy bracket > Then - you can write your own title, and it'll show up as a live link.

You're 90% there already.

5:14 pm  
Anonymous Griffon said...

Thanks, Richard.
Take two

the boycott article

1:04 am  
Anonymous Griffon said...


Gert, Sophia and Richard, tis a wonderful thing you have all done. I feel like a technological genius, now.

1:06 am  
Anonymous Griffon said...

I see that Sophia did explain it all but I didn't read it properly.

Thanks again.

1:10 am  

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