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25 July 2006

Lebanon, Hezbollah, Israel, Iraq, Iran, The PNAC, Americans' Tax Money And More ...

There are still some who are being suckered into swallowing the story that the ongoing obliteration (by Israel), of Beirut and elsewhere in Lebanon, wasn't planned years in advance -- kidnapping or no kidnapping.

But then again, there are still some suckers swallowing the 'Santa' story -- though they are, in the main, nine years old or less.

Then of course there are those who are familiar with 'The Project For The New American Century' - aka The P.N.A.C.

Here's a letter from the group to G.W.B.

Check out the date, check out the highlighted sections, then check out all the (in)famous signatories.

Then, since we two have spent half a day in a hospital clinic and the other half a day traveling (and sweltering) in scorching, so un-British temperatures, we're looking for a little help here -- because we're both completely knackered.

First read this letter in full. Then, simply go Google 'PNAC' -- but be prepared for some surprises -- unless you already belong to the better-informed-than-most, bunch.

And, whether you do or don't, please do some dot connecting yourself since we're totally truthfully, way too tired to type any more tonight. But, don't get too hung up on the hospital bit; the good news (or bad news depending upon on your own particular point of view), is that we'll both live -- till we're good and bloody ready to go.

September 20, 2001

The Honorable George W. Bush
President of the United States
Washington, DC

Dear Mr. President,

We write to endorse your admirable commitment to “lead the world to victory” in the war against terrorism. We fully support your call for “a broad and sustained campaign” against the “terrorist organizations and those who harbor and support them.” We agree with Secretary of State Powell that the United States must find and punish the perpetrators of the horrific attack of September 11, and we must, as he said, “go after terrorism wherever we find it in the world” and “get it by its branch and root.” We agree with the Secretary of State that U.S. policy must aim not only at finding the people responsible for this incident, but must also target those “other groups out there that mean us no good” and “that have conducted attacks previously against U.S. personnel, U.S. interests and our allies.”

In order to carry out this

“first war of the 21st century”
successfully, and in order, as you have said, to do future “generations a favor by coming together and whipping terrorism,” we believe the following steps are necessary parts of a comprehensive strategy.

Osama bin Laden

We agree that a key goal, but by no means the only goal, of the current war on terrorism should be to capture or kill Osama bin Laden, and to destroy his network of associates. To this end, we support the necessary military action in Afghanistan and the provision of substantial financial and military assistance to the anti-Taliban forces in that country.


We agree with Secretary of State Powell'’s recent statement that Saddam Hussein “is one of the leading terrorists on the face of the Earth.” It may be that the Iraqi government provided assistance in some form to the recent attack on the United States.

But even if evidence does not link Iraq directly to the attack,
any strategy aiming at the eradication of terrorism and its sponsors must include a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq. Failure to undertake such an effort will constitute an early and perhaps decisive surrender in the war on international terrorism. The United States must therefore provide full military and financial support to the Iraqi opposition. American military force should be used to provide a “safe zone” in Iraq from which the opposition can operate. And American forces must be prepared to back up our commitment to the Iraqi opposition by all necessary means.


Hezbollah is one of the leading terrorist organizations in the world. It is suspected of having been involved in the 1998 bombings of the American embassies in Africa, and implicated in the bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983. Hezbollah clearly falls in the category cited by Secretary Powell of groups “that mean us no good” and “that have conducted attacks previously against U.S. personnel, U.S. interests and our allies.”

Therefore, any war against terrorism must target Hezbollah. We believe the administration should demand that Iran and Syria immediately cease all military, financial, and political support for Hezbollah and its operations. Should Iran and Syria refuse to comply, the administration should consider appropriate measures of retaliation against these known state sponsors of terrorism.

Israel and the Palestinian Authority

Israel has been and remains America'’s staunchest ally against international terrorism, especially in the Middle East. The United States should fully support our fellow democracy in its fight against terrorism. We should insist that the Palestinian Authority put a stop to terrorism emanating from territories under its control and imprison those planning terrorist attacks against Israel. Until the Palestinian Authority moves against terror, the United States should provide it no further assistance.

U.S. Defense Budget

A serious and victorious war on terrorism will require a large increase in defense spending. Fighting this war may well require the United States to engage a well-armed foe, and will also require that we remain capable of defending our interests elsewhere in the world. We urge that there be no hesitation in requesting whatever funds for defense are needed to allow us to win this war.

There is, of course, much more that will have to be done. Diplomatic efforts will be required to enlist other nations’ aid in this war on terrorism. Economic and financial tools at our disposal will have to be used. There are other actions of a military nature that may well be needed.

However, in our judgement the steps outlined above constitute the minimum necessary
if this war is to be fought effectively and brought to a successful conclusion. Our purpose in writing is to assure you of our support as you do what must be done to lead the nation to victory in this fight.


William Kristol

Richard V. Allen Gary Bauer Jeffrey Bell William J. Bennett

Rudy Boshwitz Jeffrey Bergner Eliot Cohen Seth Cropsey

Midge Decter Thomas Donnelly Nicholas Eberstadt Hillel Fradkin

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Jeffrey Gedmin

Reuel Marc Gerecht Charles Hill Bruce P. Jackson Eli S. Jacobs

Michael Joyce Donald Kagan Robert Kagan Jeane Kirkpatrick

Charles Krauthammer John Lehman Clifford May Martin Peretz

Richard Perle Norman Podhoretz Stephen P. Rosen Randy Scheunemann

Gary Schmitt William Schneider, Jr. Richard H. Shultz Henry Sokolski

Stephen J. Solarz Vin Weber Leon Wieseltier Marshall Wittmann



Blogger markfromireland said...

Hi Richard,
I am now officially worried sick. I explain why here:

What’s At Stake In Lebanon And Gaza?

I've a heap of other postings over on "guides"

"It's Election Season In America" - about Maliki's visit I take an (Arabic language) news item as the starter for that.

"AL Ahram on the rape of Abeer Qassem Hamza Al-Janab" - Al Ahram is the voice moderation in Egypt. Ummm ... don't let the gentle tone of the article fool you they're seething.

LEBANON: Another generation of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, comes under fire - self explanatory.

God Bless These Young People With Good Hearts - That's about Iraqi students helping refugees in Iraq.

And from yesterday "Geneva's A Town In Switzerland"

PS: I'm baaaaack ......

12:22 am  
Anonymous Griffon said...

Markfromireland wrote-

"PS: I'm baaaaack ......"

Best news I've heard in quite a while!

12:37 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The FIRST war?

How many HAVE they planned on starting?

And how many American mothers and fathers' kids do they plan on scarificing? Likewise, mothers and fathers worldwide.

Not to mention their widowing, orphaning and crippling-maiming plans.

1:50 am  
Anonymous anon2 said...

Hey Israel! You're either WITH the civilized world, or you're against us. If you're against civilization then you've already LOST -- that's GUARANTEED. The world's dealt with your ilk [and America's] throughout history -- and your ilk has ALWAYS lost in the end. You deserve the contempt of the world, and all that will ensue from that contept. I hope I get to see you get your come-upance.

2:01 am  
Anonymous Tom V. said...

Thanks Richard to bring up the existence of this long boiling expansionist warplan, which the so called 'neocons' (in reality rabbid Straussian Elitists) has dreamt up long time ago.

Of course these people are just hired hacks for the International moneyed Elite, who just happened to sold their Souls for 30 pieces of silver.

Mark their names.

They should be lived in Universal contempt as immoral dwarfs and political whores, till the rest of their miserable lives.

May God has mercy on their darkened Soul.

2:35 am  
Anonymous Griffon said...

Pepe Escobar casually drops the reasons for the middle east wars into this article-

"There's also the all-important matter of the waters of the Litani River in southern Lebanon. Israel might as well prepare the terrain now for the eventual annexation of the Litani.

Beyond Lebanon, Israel is mostly interested also in Syria. The motive: the all-important pipeline route from Kirkuk, in Iraqi Kurdistan, to Haifa. Enter Israel as a major player in Pipelineistan.
So Israel wants to grab water (and territory) from Palestine, water (and territory) from Lebanon and oil from Iraq. This all has to do with the inevitable - the 21st-century energy wars."

And if the Israelis are successful in getting that pipeline, guess who's going to suffer?
Yes, all the countries who are sitting on their hands now letting these Israelis perpetrate their war crimes.

9:55 am  
Anonymous Young_Brit_but_not_that_young said...

O.k., I've read your blog and the comments and it just isn't working for me.

First of all, this claim that the "obliteration of Lebanon" was planned well in advanced and just looking for an excuse is weak. I'm sure Israel has a lot of strategic scenarios planned out should they require them. All countries do this. I have no doubt Israel had options on how to proceed should they come under threat from Hezbollah. That's not evil world domination, that's defense planning. These groups advocate the destruction of Israel. Israel is not safe if Hezbollah is functional. Hezbollah has brought this on themselves and the people of Lebanon. Hezbollah knew what they were doing and are sacrificing Lebanon for their own purposes. If I was Lebanese and not affiliated or sympathetic towards Hezbollah (and there are many who are), I would be furious...

Anon2... you are very mistaken... not only has Israel not received the contempt of the world, they haven't even been seriously criticized by other regional Arab powers like Jordan and Saudi.

The water issue is hard to believe as well. It's cheaper and safer to build desalination plants. I believe Israel has those as do places like U.A.E. All the clean water you want...

And finally, it's not very much of an obliteration, which they could do if they so chose. The satellite photos of the destruction I've seen are more targeted. They are not obliterating the place, aside from certain areas of Beirut which they believe are Hezbollah strongholds. The airport and road damage is minor, and easy/cheap to repair. They haven't used other ordinance which would obliterate the place, that's not the goal, nor is occupation, annexation. Go look at the satellite photos of the damage to the Bir al-Abid district. Targeted. Look at the areas around that district, not targeted. Draw some conclusions around that.

Oh, and those are real leaps by reading the PNAC website and thinking there's some massive conspiracy with the Bush Whitehouse.

I'm neither pro-Israeli, Jewish, conservative, Arab, or Muslim. I haven't taken any sides in this conflict. But I think the sentiments expressed in this blog post are way off base and too enveloped in "conspiracytheoryitis". They're not objective nor have any substantial arguments behind them other than strong opinion...

10:26 am  
Anonymous Griffon said...

Well young-brit, you've came, you've read and you have expressed. Thank you.

Perhaps you might like to take a gander at this bit of conspiracy nonsense just to make sure you're right-

UK government sources confirm war with Iran is on
By Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed
Online Journal Contributing Writer

Jul 24, 2006, 01:05

"In the last few days, I learned from a credible and informed source that a former senior Labour government minister, who continues to be well-connected to British military and security officials, confirms that Britain and the United States " . . . will go to war with Iran before the end of the year."

10:47 am  
Anonymous Rosemary said...

Looks like if things go as predicted, the American elections will be cancelled as a wartime emergency.

I wonder what other actions will be taken?

Also sounds like "rolling blackouts" in California are back in vogue. Interesting the blackouts are focused in the SF Bay area (that hotbed of trouble-makers) and the outside temperature is breaking all time records at least in Northern California and Oregon.

Is Mother Nature cooperating with the Neocons? Or does the spirit of Ken Lay live on, just like Palast says!

12:14 pm  
Anonymous Rex said...

Well, there you have it then - from an expert. (Expert troll, more like. Wonder where his monthly pay cheque comes from?)

He's read Richard's blog [all of it?] and Richard's a conspiracy theorist?

'Nuff said.

12:21 pm  
Anonymous whoever said...

Another defender of the indefensable. Maybe a hello from Tel Aviv? Note he didn't show links or source of his expert info.
Antone who sees and hears what's going on and tries to explain it away is as bad as those doing it.

Did England attack Ireland like that even though the IRA terorists bombed England for 30 years? During which time they were mainly financed by Americans. Did Spain bomb the Basque country? Did they bomb the Catalan seperatists ETA. Did Germany bomb any of their sevearl terrorist groups like Bader Neinhof? Did Italy bomb the Red brigade?

Apes live by the law of the jungle - not civilised humans.

Give him enough rope, Old Brit. American & British governmnets have done this to Israel. Now watch them hang themselves -- soon.

1:17 pm  
Anonymous whoever said...

P.S. He thinks you're a conspiracy theorist? What a laugh. That's proof that all he's read and wants to talk about are your Lebanon\Israel posts. Makes a change from the usual anti-semitic accusations hurled when anyone dares expose Israel for what it really is - and the neo-cons for what they are.

1:22 pm  
Anonymous Young_Brit_but_not_that_young said...

Nope, right now I don't have time to read all the othe posts, but did come across this one, and as I said, I don't find it convincing. And, I'm more than open to being convinced.

Also, do not misunderstand my post. I am not defending Israeli actions. I'm trying to understand them though through critical thinking, particularly in context, and the posts here are not analytical, they're just "critical" in another context. I think most are jumping to too many conclusions for my liking.

My pay check comes from a variety of customers throughout the Middle East countries, including, but not limted to Israel and Lebanon. So, for me, the sooner peace ensues, the better for me. Lebanon was making real progress and now that's all disappeared for who knows how long. Bad for me. Not a great try though, simply conjecture and assuming I have some allegiance. I don't which is why I'm having a hard time following the arguments here.

So, I take it the dis-proportional force/response is a concern. I think that sentiment is well established out there. I agree and don't agree. Yes, it is dis-proportional, but this was provocation. Why haven't Saudi, Jordan, Egypt, others (aside from Iran and Syria)come down harder on the Israeli actions? Answer that question before you start talking about the IRA, ETA, and the Red Brigade.

What really is Israel, please expose it for what it really is? Really, I'd love to hear what you truly believe. Your statement says nothing.

I do like Rosemary though... Rosemary hangs it out there. At least something tangible. The next US elections will be cancelled. I like that, it shows conviction in the beliefs and something we can measure against later on. Blackouts in California to shut up the liberal trouble makers? Well, that's a bit harder to prove, but maybe someone can show me that's true, but I ain't buying it now, but gets points for creativity.

O.k. Griffon, silliness aside, let's get down to business. I've read your article. There is a lot there, but suffice it to say I don't agree with his conclusion. Although, many of points I completely agree with such as the dollar crisis, the fragility of the economic system. This system is dying. And those points that I don't... nature armageddon, oil production, a cold Anglo-American calculation that a milatary solution is the only way to keep the Milatary Industrial Complex going.

So, where to go with this... a long boiling expansionist warplan by neo-cons? Well, I have to say I have a friend in the British army who's done two tours of Afghanistan and one in Iraq, or maybe it was the other way around. He told me sometime ago that whatever happens, there will be war with Iran, maybe not now, not tomorrow, but it will happen. This of course was fermented by seeing and being involved in the operations down there.

Maybe it will. But if it does, I don't think it's for the sentiments expressed here. I'll explore your previous posts some more, but please don't tell me this goes into 911 being orchestrated by the US Govt so there was an excuse to go play war in the Middle East...

2:46 pm  
Anonymous Tom V. said...

'not too young Brit', Your hallmark, is obfuscation, learnt but irrelevant rhetorical parrying and dredging up any marginal details to support your argument.

Clever but not clever enough. All I have to do is to imagine if the shoe would be on the other foot. If Israel would have to endure, what Lebanon suffers through now. The wailings of the Israelis, their media everywhere, would cry to the Heaven.
Also the easily predictable, extraordinary rushes of the American and other Zionist infiltrated and controled countries to the aid of Israel, in such a circumstance greatly helps me to unveil the fundamental fallacies of your spoiling efforts.

And please kindly excuse us, if we got a 'bit emotional over what is happening in Lebanon and around the World with us.

7:43 pm  
Blogger bootlian said...

Show us your pictures. Then you can move on somewhere else and show them there, and spin your same time wasting story to others.

Folk here want cites and sources. There's probably as many great links in the comments each post as in Richard's main blog posts.

8:40 pm  
Blogger markfromireland said...


is obviously too busy to read either the Jerusalem post or Ha'aretz both of which have covered how this has been planned for years. He's obviously too busy to read how a year ago the IDF sent officers over to Washington to brief their US counterparts on what they planning.

9:03 pm  
Anonymous Young_Brit_but_not_that_young said...

You're right, I don't have time to read those posts, or comment on every internet post and theory you may cite. I'm not interested in persuading you on anything. I just came across this blog accidentally and, although found it interesting, did not find it convincing.

I do respect Griffon's posts though as they have meat behind them, but that doesn't mean I have to jump on the bandwagon and believe in this Anglo-American neo con conspiracy to control the world. And I have to call bullshit when I see it and I've done that in both my posts.

So a quick review of what we're talking about here.

1) Total Destruction of Lebanon was pre-meditated years ago and now that Hizb' captured two soldiers it gave Israel and the US the excuse they need to decimate Lebanon.

2) Israel is doing this to take control of the Litani. Israel does have desalination plants.

3) Not sure where we were going with the PNAC stuff, but I was assuming that the assumption here is that their agenda is the agenda of the Bush Whitehouse and I guess by extension the Blair Govt.

Those are the points I contest. I've had a lot of drivel hurled back at me for even suggesting this and not joining in on the anti-Israel party here. But no one has actually addressed anything I've posted except for really inane comments, aside from Griffon's which I thoughtfully considered.

1) What is it that Israel is supposed to do? Accept rocket attacks as part of the rough neighborhood they live in? Decide to pack it in and say, this whole country thing isn't working out, we'll just leave now? This would also be a good place for the poster who claims Israel will be exposed for what it really is to chime in. I still want to know what that is...

2) Why is there a lack of criticism from other Arab countries aside from the two that have Hizb connections?

3) Is Lebanon really being obliterated? If it is, why not really obliterate it? Here's the pics I referred to:

You can also view some of these with Google Earth and this file:

Of course as the next few weeks drag on that may not continue to be the case.

4) War on Iran: What is the purpose of this. There seems to be many suggestions here, but I don't think it's because George W. and his Oil buddies are playing some fancy game of Battleships.

5) Are we cool with where my paycheck comes from? And that I'm not Israeli, Jewish, Arab, or any combination of those. Were those really relevant or useful comments? Poor form.

And as for the latest posts, Tom V, you are guilty of everything you just accused me of. In fact, I didn't even really understand what you were saying. What's your point, go ahead, get it off your chest?

Being emotional about this is expected, particularly if you are directly affected. I have friends and business associates in both those countries, with their families. I like those people...on both sides. I like the countries and culture too, but I don't like Hizb' and I can not liken them to the IRA and ETA. (I don't know enough about the German one, or Red Brigade to say...), but what's Hizb's purpose... they don't like Jews, and they want Israel destroyed?

I do read JPost sometimes, and sometimes Ha'aretz. Somebody please remind me which media is biased and which is not? Who always speaks the truth and who lies?

The US election stuff... well, I don't know... I like it because it makes me laugh a bit. I'm willing to hang around for two years to see if the elections are cancelled because of war, and more war.

I am not officially worried sick.

11:44 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

Just a quick interuption here.

Look who has recently visited us.

Also, we've been getting visits from both Tel Aviv and Haifa over the last few days.

And guess what? 'Cos this This Old Brit has his own intelligence - he doesn't even need any sat-pics - though he does know Stratfor.

That's all folks - for the minute.

12:11 am  
Blogger markfromireland said...

"1) Total Destruction of Lebanon was pre-meditated years ago and now that Hizb' captured two soldiers it gave Israel and the US the excuse they need to decimate Lebanon."

Wrong. Come back with a better straw man. No, on second thoughts don't bother.

1:51 am  
Anonymous me said...

Good idea, mfi. He shouldn't bother. 'Specialy as he says he doesn't have time ...........

Anyway .... he can starve, for me. He should find a chat room.

2:16 am  
Anonymous Young_Brit_but_not_that_young said...

Well... markfromireland, as eloquent, concise, convincing, and significant a point as you've ever made, including your blog as well.

I will take your advice though and not bother. Aside from Old Brit and Griffon, there is no value, no intellect, and nothing analytical here whatsoever.

I made my points (direct response to this blog entry "Lebanon, Hezb, Israel...") which haven't been challenged here,(aside from "wrong man...try again"). I've answered everyone of you twits (twits does not apply to Old Brit and Griffon), and I'll go starve now, and find a chat room, or whatever that was about. I do appreciate that English is probably not your first language though and you probably just misinterpreted or mis-spelled something.

Old Brit... Stratfor is a good resource, but don't forget, I work in the region, Arab countries and Israel. Watch out for those views from Haifa and Tel Aviv though. Probably Mossad in connection with the CIA. I can just hear the war room now...

"O.k. Generals, we need more intellegence to continue this air supremacy and knock out all rocket launchers in the south, to prepare for the ground war, so we can take back the Litani, somebody call W. and let him know everything is going to plan, and oh yeah, what was on Old Brit's blog last night, damnit!"

Anyway, if Israel takes control of southern Lebanon to occupy and annex the Litani, I'll come back, take my lumps and go buy one of Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed's books and read it.

9:10 am  
Blogger Richard said...

young brit,

I just posted a comment for you, at markfromireland's place. I said that though I don't agree with you, you had ben civil.

Taking the piss out of me {CIA/Mossad/war-room, etc), is something you should know that I can't consider to be civil.

6:20 pm  
Blogger markfromireland said...

Young "brit" asserting that you know the region is a logical fallacy called "appeal to the authority" followed by ad hominem attacks. If you knew anything about Ireland or me you'd know that english is one of my two native languages. You'd also know that I'm fluent in Arabic and Farsi and have spent much of my life as a peackeeper in Lebanon. Your attack upon my usage of English is hilarious - as your IP address resolves to the Netherlands, not a country in which English is the first language, though most Dutch speak it well if a little stiffly. Have you checked your grammar lately? it's not standard English usage. Perhaps you know so many people in the region that you've absorbed their usage by a process of osmosis. Perhaps.

And your strawman is still a strawman - you claimed Richard said something which he did not what he said was this:

"There are still some who are being suckered into swallowing the story that the ongoing obliteration (by Israel), of Beirut and elsewhere in Lebanon, wasn't planned years in advance"

There's a difference between that and what you claimed he said. There's also a difference between debate and casuistry in support of warcrimes. You're engaging in the latter.

7:31 pm  
Anonymous Young_Brit_but_not_that_young said...

Um, o.k., you're right, Old Brit, I just re-read your post on hits from Tel Aviv and Haifa. I suppose I read it too quickly previously, and assumed you were insinuating that's where I was posting from. Considering my position, you were compromising my arguments by linking me to Israel. But that was my mistake, however that post is still curious, but I'll concede just a factual statement (as long as you're not using markfromireland's IP sleuthing techniques).

markfromireland, don't take those comments so personally. They were more directed to "me" and "tom_v" actually, although I stand by my comments directed to you.

I don't have to know your life story to know something about you. You are tranparent from your posts.

I'm not fluent in Arabic and Farsi. I know people who are, but they just speak to me in English.

My IP doesn't resolve to the Netherlands. Go back and figure out what's wrong with your analytics.

My IP address resolves to England, sometimes to the US when I use that server address of my Cisco VPN. What could it possibly matter anyway? Want to make sure it's not some Jew IP address? Strange.

Old Brit... because I did not agree with you, I took the opposite of your moniker. Nothing more than that. I'm actually not a Brit, I just live here (I'm not really young either). It's an anecdote though. It's true that English isn't my first language, that would be American. I'm still trying to learn it though.

Anyway, point taken on the debate stuff. No more debates here.

Signing off, Jrum

Oh yeah, because English isn't my first language I went to go look up "casuistry" since only the real smart Americans from blue states and sophisticated Europeans use fancy words like that. And then it occured to me, either join markfromireland's circle jerk, or be a war crimes supporter. Whew, what an accusation? It almost makes me want to re-read the whole thing and see where it was that I condoned Israel's actions. But then I thought, nah... that would be ridiculous, only a real idiot would do something like that. It would seem your natural predisposition in obstension of Israel has obfuscated you excogitation of the disequilibration we all find ourselves in. But then, I don't know. Sometimes it's so damn hard to find the right words...

12:28 am  
Anonymous Jrum said...

And then again... I could be wrong:,,174-2289232,00.html

1:12 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nothing new there. An extra 'army' of part timers being recruited. (The GOPers have been doing it forever. Freeping?)

Also, the official motto of MOSSAD :"By way of deception, thou shalt do war".

Check it out.

1:54 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

Good link and good reminder, thanks.

One quick additional note, I think [strongly suspect] that these students have already been at work for a while. Witness some of the posters our friend Gert [who's much more patient than I ] has had recently.

2:54 pm  
Blogger Jrum said...

One of my arguments against the general theories presented here has been, "why has the opposition among the Arab states been so weak towards Israel's actions against Lebanon (aside from Syria and Iran, which is obvious)"?

Well, this could be a solid reason:

Plus the fact that they are scared "sh!tless" of Iran's increasing power in the neighborhood.

Now, that rips a major hole in my position, but I would prefer to think that through logically and counter if I can. I can't right now, but I'll work on it.

Anyway, in previous posts, my harsh comments towards some of the comments were well deserved because those comments were pure drivel, aside from where I've already conceded. However, if you can dismiss me with something substantial, as I've done to myself, then I'll either concede or go away and think it through some more.

Needless to say, even though I've defeated one of my own arguments, by no means am I on board with the neocon energy/world domination thing.

markfromireland... you have my permission to post my admission on your blog. It would fit nicely right after the post where you decided to censor my comments.

11:19 am  
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11:48 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry to be so lazy (or just short of time) as to not read all the comments above.

The PNAC has been calling for change (by military strength/force) in the Middle East for a while (but the PNAC seems to stop in 2005). There are other neo-con groups as well.

Is there anything published on the internet where neo-cons have called for exactly what Israel is doing now in Lebanon? If there is then, given the neo-cons installed in the US administration, that would be damning evidence of pre-planned US-Israeli aggression.

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