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18 September 2005

Bring our boys back from Iraq ...




Gathered around our current Queen's grandfather King George V, as he lay close to death , those present put on their best of British brave faces in an effort to ease his expected imminent expiry.

"You'll soon be up & about and back in Bognor, sir," they lied. They referred of course to Bognor Regis, the King's favourite British holiday haunt.

"Bugger, Bognor!" the monarch managed to mumble -- then promptly passed away.

And so it transpired that a further set of famous last words had found a place in Britain's history.

Right now, many British soldiers are expressing equally, easily understood emotions en masse.

From Asia Minor's ancient Mesopotamia, the message we're beginning to hear from our brave boys in uniform could hardly be more clear.

It's "Bugger, Basra!"

Witness what one squaddie had to say to the Sunday Mirror.


Our brave troops, largely forgotten amid the July terror attacks and New Orleans floods, will stay as long as they are told to.

But, for the first time, officers and squaddies are thinking the unthinkable. They are saying out loud that staying in Iraq is no longer making things better.

One soldier speaks for many when he says: "It's time to get home.

There is no point in anyone else dying here. We are past the time that we are needed here in Basra. We have done enough."
Note that it's not just the rank & file who are fed up either, fine fearless fellahs though they be.



In private, senior officers are growing exasperated by the lack of any clear exit strategy.

And I can see why. For the past two weeks 6,000 British troops have been in virtual lockdown in Basra.

It seems the brass are becoming as pissed off as are the privates. Eh?

Some platoon commanders now make their displeasure plain.

Why, platoon commanders ask, should they take unnecessary risks with their men's lives for a cause - trying to maintain security - which is now almost lost?
Then there's this.

The Commanding Officer of 1 Coldstream Guards battle group, Nick Henderson, says he has asked for more Warrior armoured vehicles for his soldiers because they are the only vehicles strong enough to ensure his troops will get back home alive when their tour ends in five weeks.
When even the Commanding Officer of the Coldstream Guards wants to wade in with his own words of war-wisdom ....... well ...... what can one really say?

Surely, silence is supposed to be golden where such seniority is concerned. But when it isn't, one can't help but wonder what other surprises may soon be in store.

The truth is, our own troops have finally figured out for themselves, the absolute futility of the whole farcical affair.

Thanks to the boy blunder Blair, they're well & truly bogged down in an impossible position.

Continued involvement in any Iraq occupation is quite simply no longer in our own nation's national interests. Blair & Bush's illegal war has become our unarguably, unwinnable war.

Let's face it, Tony Blair bought a pig in poke -- and it was George W. Bush - his blood brother - who sold it to him.

But it's other poor buggers who are paying the price. Every day. In blood.

So This Old Brit suggests we should all shout out together.

Bugger, Basra. Bugger, Baghdad. Bugger, Blair. Bugger, Bush.

And bring our boys back from bloody, Iraq.

* See what else the Sunday Mirror says on the subject.

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/news/tm_objectid=16143821%26method=full%26siteid=62484%26headline=the%2dmessage%2dfrom%2dour%2dtroops%2din%2diraq%2d%2dit%2ds%2dtime%2dto%2dcome%2dhome-name_page.html

39 Comments:

Blogger DaliWood said...

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9:43 pm  
Blogger DaliWood said...

Oops. Typo in my previous post.

Reuters is reporting from London that the "Desert Rats" are being redeployed to Iraq and that hoped-for troop withdrawals have been abandoned.

Gee, Bush and Blair were too foolish to see that all that arid desert in Iraq was actually quicksand.

9:47 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

daliwood,

Yep! I wonder whatever happened to the 'dancing in the streets' and garlands of flowers the troops were originaly led to expect?

And, old Saddam's words keep ringing in my ears ... about ... letting them go for their drive in the desert ..... then watching them commit suicide after entering the gates of Baghdad.

Not a word perfect quote, of course, but quite close enough.

12:25 am  
Anonymous blowback said...

Even Colonel Tim Collins has changed his mind about Iraq.

12:52 am  
Blogger Richard said...

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2:04 am  
Blogger Richard said...

blowback,

I remember him well. How brave, inspiring and honourable he first appeared to be. Alas, how naive he turned out to be.

At least he saw the light eventually. I wish him well.

2:09 am  
Anonymous Mark Abbott said...

::howling with laughter at the Geo. V deathbed words!::

Priceless, Richard, I hadn't heard that tale ... is it true, or an exaggeration? (/history buff)

"Bugger, Basra. Bugger, Baghdad. Bugger, Blair. Bugger, Bush."

That makes for one fan-tas-tic placard, Richard!

Bugger Basra!
Bugger Baghdad!
Bugger Blair!
Bugger Bush!

Not to mention how well it works as a demo-chant.

---

blowback: excellent find at your link, thanks for sharing it! Col. Collins' analysis of precisely what was left undone, and what grew into the insurgency as a result, sounds way more convincing than just about anything I've heard/read. Good of him to at last speak out, and so forcefully & knowledgably!

2:32 am  
Blogger Richard said...

Mark,

I've not played around with that quote at all. That brief phrase is officialy recorded as being George V's deathbed 'last words'.

12:18 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have any of you seen this? It's latest from the BBC on Brit troops in Basra. Things are looking worse in there all the time.

British troops arrested in Basra

Tensions have been rising in the British-controlled Basra region
Two Britons have been arrested in Iraq amid reports they fired at police in Basra, the Ministry of Defence says.

The pair were detained in the southern city following reports of a skirmish.

A senior Iraqi official told Reuters news agency the British military had told him they were undercover soldiers in civilian clothes.

The MoD could not confirm reports the pair - both military personnel - were working undercover, adding the reason for their arrest was not yet known.

After the arrests there was a clash between British soldiers and protesters in Basra, AFP news agency reported.

Burning tanks

The agency said demonstrators threw stones at the troops, who responded by firing warning shots.

Two tanks were set on fire, forcing British soldiers inside them to jump out before withdrawing, without returning fire.


Heres the link.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4260894.stm

4:30 pm  
Anonymous bluey said...

You just beat me to it anonymous ... I was going to pass that link on here. Getting out of hand ain't it?

4:35 pm  
Anonymous graniab said...

It has always seemed to me that that British army had a much better handle on Iraq than the US. I think that the Northern Irish 'experience' was a good preparation for dealing with locals and general guerrilla warfare tactics. However, the US army approach - massive firepower and generally 'piss off the natives attitude' has practically encouraged more civil unrest. So the situation over there gets worse and worse, and you know the US will be pulling a sizeable number of troops out before November '06 elections. Of course it's time to bring all the troops home but look what a mess the US has made of Iraq. I will never understand how Tony let himself be allied with George Bush and his Neocon Nitwits.

6:46 pm  
Anonymous graniab said...

It has always seemed to me that that British army had a much better handle on Iraq than the US. I think that the Northern Irish 'experience' was a good preparation for dealing with locals and general guerrilla warfare tactics. However, the US army approach - massive firepower and generally 'piss off the natives attitude' has practically encouraged more civil unrest. So the situation over there gets worse and worse, and you know the US will be pulling a sizeable number of troops out before November '06 elections. Of course it's time to bring all the troops home but look what a mess the US has made of Iraq. I will never understand how Tony let himself be allied with George Bush and his Neocon Nitwits.

6:46 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

graniab,

Why and how Blair 'bonded' with Bush was a mystery to me too, in the begining. Over time I've come to bleieve it all boils down to 'fame & fortune' -- I now believe that's the truth of Tony's turn-on button.

8:26 pm  
Anonymous kiwi said...

Hello everyone,

You MUST read this. That Colonel Collins is calling for ALL troops to be pulled out - and he doesn't pull any punches.

19 September 2005

PULL OUR BOYS OUT OF IRAQ SAYS COL. TIM COLLINS

By Inspirational former Iraq War commander Colonel Tim Collins

THE death last week of Major Matthew Bacon brought to 95 the number of British servicemen killed in Iraq.

Yesterday, Defence Secretary John Reid said more British troops were ready, if needed, to go to Iraq to bolster the 9,000 already fighting the insurgency.

Here Colonel Tim Collins, who commanded the 1st Battalion, Royal Irish Regiment during the invasion of Iraq, and gave a stirring eve-of-battle speech of his troops, argues that the time has come for the West to get out.

WE need to get out of Iraq. Not just the Brits, but the entire Western force.


This is a must read piece by a guy who knows the score - from first hand experience - here's a link.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16147106%26method=full%26siteid=94762%26headline=pull%2dour%2dboys%2dout%2dof%2diraq%2dsays%2dcol%2d%2dtim%2dcollins-name_page.html

8:33 pm  
Blogger D.F. Facti said...

Doing some research on the neocons here. What the hell did Tony Blair think he was getting into?

The seat at the Carlyle table? Maybe Tony went along with it to keep an eye on Bush. That was my hope in the beginning. Ha!

I wonder if BP Amoco was in on Cheney's energy "task force".

8:35 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

bluey,

It certainly looks like it is.

kiwi,

WoW! Thanks for that heads up post. It sure does look like a must read. I'm off to do just that -- right now.

8:37 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

Hi Cosmic,

Heh. Talk about timing. I just told graniab what I think the answer to the Blair bonding with Bush bit, is.

Same old, same old ...... follow the money.

8:41 pm  
Blogger Phyl said...

I've always had the sneaking suspicion that Blair was so terrified by 9/11 that he's lost all reason, and has simply been scrambling for something, anything, to Make Him Feel Safe. He actually names 9/11 as the turning point for him, so I've always wondered. He lost his ability to think rationally, and is all about fear now.

Of course, that's from someone very far away, so I could be dead wrong. :-)

But George Galloway said, last Friday during a Q&A in Toronto, when asked why Blair did all this, "I honestly don't know." He said that it can't be about Blair's legacy, because he'll now be remembered forever for nothing else but leading Britain with a pack of lies into a disaster. And unless Blair himself ends up making a fortune with Carlyle, it wasn't even for monetary gain, because Halliburton & Bechtel are gaining all the money and not sharing it with Britain. So Galloway was really mystified as to why.

Didn't Blair originally say he wasn't going to join Carlyle, and then more recently it was announced that he would? When I'd heard the first thing, I was totally in the dark about any possible reasons for Blair's actions.

I still wonder if he's primarily terrified.

9:44 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

Phyl,

Will anyone ever really know why?

I still think he was after fame & fortune in the first place. Looks like he'll get infamy & fortune instead. Not a bad consolation prize though, eh?

10:09 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

Strewth!!!! Things have now gone completely bloody barmy in Basra.

UK soldiers freed from Basra jail

British soldiers had to jump from their burning tank


Clashes in Basra

UK forces used tanks to break down the walls of a jail where two British soldiers were being held in the Iraqi city of Basra, according to reports.

The soldiers' arrests had sparked clashes in the city in which British tanks came under attack and two civilians were reportedly killed.

Basra's governor said the demolition was a "barbaric act of aggression".

British officials said the men were back in UK forces' custody but would not say how this had happened.

Civilians 'killed'

The BBC's Richard Galpin said it seemed more and more as if British forces had stormed the prison.


More here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4262336.stm

10:23 pm  
Anonymous prm said...

Why do British soldiers serving in Iraq hate America and our freedom? Don't they know we'd rather they fight terrorism in Basra so we don't have to fight them in the U.S.?

Snarkiness aside, the writing is certainly on the wall isn't it?

The Shiites want U.S. and British troops to leave. The Sunnis REALLY want U.S. and British troops to leave. The Iraqi government wants U.S. and British troops to leave. British troops want to leave. A good chunk of the "Coalition of the Willing" has already left. And an increasing number of U.S. citizens at the very least want U.S. troops to leave and taxpayer dollars to go elsewhere.

At what point does Poodle boy Blair figure out it's time pull out of Iraq?

I'm afraid Bush is determined to drive the country into the ground over Iraq. But maybe ... just maybe he'd get the message if Britian left.

11:00 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

prm,

Sadly, I don't think it would make one iota of difference to the traitor in the White House, whatever the traitor in Downing Street did.

12:59 am  
Blogger Richard said...

The call to come out of Iraq becomes more concerted by the hour.

This from the Lib Dems annual conference in Blackpool, today.

End Iraq 'occupation' - Lib Dems

( Watch the speech )

Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman Sir Menzies Campbell has called for an end to the US and UK "occupation" of Iraq.
But he stopped short of calling for a date for the withdrawal of troops.

He also said Britain needs an ethical foreign policy, stressing human rights and multilateralism.

In his speech to the Liberal Democrat annual conference, Sir Menzies said the Iraq war was illegal and conducted on a "false prospectus".

"The threat was manufactured not in the sands of Iraq, but in the corridors of Whitehall," Sir Menzies told delegates on the first day of the party's conference in Blackpool.

He also attacked the "inexcusable failure" to plan for post-war Iraq, which is illustrated by a "terrible daily carnage" in the country.

"Two and a half years on, we must begin to bring this occupation to an end," Sir Menzies said.

Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4258990.stm

1:02 am  
Blogger Elaine Supkis said...

Ya, Richard! I got that news, too. Will blog it in a few minutes. With pictures, as always. Insane, it is all insane.

Wish the Brits were in New Orleans. Would have been better, no? heh.

1:15 am  
Blogger Elaine Supkis said...

Here is the story, Richard, of the jail break, the riots, everything!

I mention your blog, heh.

Luv and peace!

1:51 am  
Blogger Richard said...

Heh. The Brits WERE in New Orleans once, Elaine. Remember?

Battle of New Orleans
by Jimmy Driftwood


In 1814 we took a little trip,
along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip.
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans,
and we fought the bloody British in the town of New Orleans.

We fired our guns and the British kept a comin',
There wasn't 'bout as many as there was awhile ago.
We fired once more and they began to runnin'
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

Oh we looked down the river and we seen the British come.
There must have been a hundred of 'em beatin' on a drum.
They stepped so high and they made their bugles ring.
We stood behind our cotton bales and didn¹t say a thing.

Old Hickory said we could take 'em by surprise,
if we didn¹t fire our muskets till we looked 'em in the eyes.
We held our fire till we seen their faces well,
then we opened up our squirrel guns and gave 'em a little...Well....we...

....fired our guns and the British kept a comin',
There wasn't 'bout as many as there was awhile ago.
We fired once more and they began to runnin'
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

We fired our cannons till the barrels melted down,
then we grabbed an alligator and we fired another round.
We filled his head with cannonballs and powdered his behind,
and when we touched the powder off, the gator lost his mind.

We fired our guns and the British kept a comin',
There wasn't 'bout as many as there was awhile ago.
We fired once more and they began to runnin'
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

We fired our guns and the British kept a comin',
There wasn't 'bout as many as there was awhile ago.
We fired once more and they began to runnin'
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.


Copyright © 2001 The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band. All rights reserved.
Revised: Thursday, July 12, 2001

(on edit - Oops! I just saw your other post here - I'll go see you latest blog post right now. )

1:54 am  
Blogger Richard said...

Must watch BBC video footage of the rioting & petrol bombing of Brits in tanks, plus pics of captured Brits. Put your speakers on too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi/nb_rm_fs.stm?checkedBandwidth=nb&nbram=1&checkedMedia=ram&news=1&bbwm=1&nbwm=1&bbram=1&nol_storyid=4261390

2:14 am  
Blogger Elaine Supkis said...

Hey, Richard. Look at this!

I google my name periodically and this turned up. Evidently, 49 Media liked the cartoon I did of you...heh.

2:40 am  
Blogger Richard said...

Ha! Brilliant!

Go back and check, Elaine -- I just commented on it and rated it.

2:50 am  
Anonymous blowback said...

Richard - I don't know if you have seen the articles (here and (here) about the Downing Street spin doctor who has just published his diary:

"I couldn't help feeling TB was rather relishing his first blooding as PM, sending the boys into action," the Mail on Sunday's version says. "Despite all the necessary stuff about taking action 'with a heavy heart' I think he feels it is part of his coming of age as a leader."

It makes me feel all warm and comfortable about the Grocer!

3:14 am  
Blogger Elaine Supkis said...

Thanks for the head's up at my own blog, Richard. Blogger screwed up my postings...big time. Took a while to fix, too!

Good news is, 49 is featuring my blog tonight on the front page! Whoopee.

4:18 am  
Blogger Richard said...

blowback,

Yep, I knew about the new book. I mentioned it a while back but not in great detail. In fact I was considering using the latest revelations for a piece, when word came to me about the festerings in Basra.

Thanks for posting the two links though, I strongly recommend everyone read them. The more we can all show Blair up for the lying bum he truly is, the better.

Same goes for his whole crony crew, too.

12:44 pm  
Blogger Elaine Supkis said...

Yo, Richard, I have a new cartoon of you up at my blog.

The story is funny too.

FEMA says Brit food is DISGUSTING

3:14 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

I just saw it and left a comment, Elaine.

4:19 pm  
Anonymous graniab said...

OK so by now everyone has accepted the fact that Iraqi is fast approaching civil war (except Super Shrub and entourage) So what to do - do the British and US forces pull out and leave the Iraqis to clean up the mess or what? Does anyone have a plan?

5:53 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

graniab,

Only such inexperienced amateurs as B&B would have even counternanced the idea of implementing any action anywhere - without having a plan B - an exit strategy - but that's spilled milk now.

I think the blue helmets of UN troops as peace keepers is about the only hope of getting anywhere even close to normality - but even then it'll be a long, long time before this mess is cleaned up.

It's such messes that brought the whole idea of the UN [international]peace keeping forces into being.

But of course, Bush, aided & abetted by bums like Bolton have even been doing their best to blow the UN to bits, too.

Right now, I've got about as much idea for 'a plan' for fixing Iraq -- as I have for raising the dead.

Honestly --- I just want to wake up and find it's all been no more than a very nasty nightmare.

If only, eh?

6:15 pm  
Blogger JulieDee said...

Hooray Sir Menzies! Thanks Richard! And Tennessee Ernie Ford did The Battle of New Orleans MUCH better in 1958!

Uber Kewel Elaine! OH! I did some puttering in our project area the other day...I think you'll like it! Hehehehehe!

4:50 am  
Blogger Richard said...

julie,

Over here, Lonnie Donnegan did a great job with the N.O. battle song, too. [I liked Lonnie a lot when I was younger].

9:49 pm  
Blogger JulieDee said...

I think EVERYONE did that song at one time or another! Heck, there is even a Thrash-band version!

6:08 am  

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