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04 August 2005

Boom! Yet Another Bombshell ...

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While the whole world is reflecting on the horrors of Hiroshima some sixty years ago, this absolutely amazing revelation comes to light.

How the UK gave Israel the bomb

Documents reveal that Britain supplied heavy water without safeguards against military use, enabling the production of nuclear weapons

David Leigh Thursday August 4, 2005

Britain secretly supplied the 20 tons of heavy water to Israel nearly half a century ago which enabled it to make nuclear weapons, according to Whitehall documents which have been discovered at the Public Records Office.
Now -- is that a bombshell -- or is that a bomshell?

Well, it's certainly come as news to most of us, including quite a few fine fellows like these.

Historians and politicians have been startled by the discovery, which sheds new light on the process by which Israel was able to circumvent attempts to restrict membership of the "nuclear club" to the great powers.
Someone else was startled too.

A nuclear specialist, Frank Barnaby, said: "I had no idea at all the British were involved."
Talk about shock and awe, eh?

Even this special man was surprised.

When Robert McNamara became the US defence secretary in 1961, he and President Kennedy strived to stop Israel from going on to build nuclear weapons. He told Newsnight last night that he had never known of Britain's behaviour at the time.

"The fact Israel was trying to develop a nuclear bomb should not have come as a surprise but that Britain should have supplied it with heavy water was indeed a surprise to me," he said.

"It's very surprising to me that we weren't told because we shared information about the nuclear bomb very closely with the British."
Unusually, The Guardian gave plenty of precious extra space to this story by running a related piece in tandem. Such was it's stature, I suppose. Here's the opening excerpt from the second story.

US kept in the dark as secret nuclear deal was struck

David Leigh Thursday August 4, 2005

Israel's acquisition of nuclear bombs has been one of the most sustained pieces of deceit in recent history. The project was guarded with such passion that in the 1980s the technician Mordechai Vanunu was kidnapped and spent 11 years in solitary
confinement for blowing some of its secrets.

It is remarkable then, that documents lying unnoticed in the public records office at Kew should reveal Britain's hitherto unknown role 47 years ago in deceiving the US and supplying Israel with the means to go nuclear.

Boom, boom, you might say - what a bloomin' double-whammy!

But grab tight hold of your hats -- 'cos there's much, much more to come.

At the Foreign Office, Alexander Stirling suggested: "We might make the gesture of informing the Americans ... unless there was any risk of a US firm stealing the Israeli orders."

He was rapidly overruled by Douglas Cape, first secretary at the FCO in charge of nuclear security, in terms that made it clear the fear was the US would demand too many safeguards: "I would prefer not to mention this to the Americans lest it lead them to ask us to take up what would in fact be an untenable position vis-a-vis the Norwegians."

The cover story was that the heavy water was "understood to be required by Israel for peaceful use in a reactor connected with desert irrigation".
Well, if you still need convincing that this is one hell of a mind-blowing, gob-smacking tale of intrigue, deceit and plain old greed -- try getting your heads round this.

A US spyplane, the U2, had been taking high-level photos of the activities in the Negev desert. US intelligence had become suspicious, and summoned the Israeli ambassador in Washington to question him.

In December 1960, a story was planted in the British press, via the Daily Express veteran defence correspondent Chapman Pincher, that Israel was trying to make atomic bombs.
So, what do you think of the smelly show, so far?

Okay, teasing time's over. You know the drill by now. Read the rest via the two links below.

1./ http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1542077,00.html

2./ http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1542129,00.html

35 Comments:

Blogger noel adamson said...

So when does the invasion of Irrael begin? Or Pakistan for that matter?

It seems that possession of nukes make a country very belligerant and roguish though the opposite sequence may be the fact, that is that belligerant rogue nations may be the only ones who seek to possess them in the first place.

Why anyone would enable Israel, a small nation conceived in intense emotional turmoil on the heels of a terrible genocidal assault against the Jewish people for who it was intended as a refuge, to get the bomb is a mystery to me and I doubt it was out some feeling of sympathy.

Living in the U.S. in these days of zealous flat earthers and armageddonists, with a smirking rougue lunatic in the White House giving the finger to the rest of the world and most of his own citizens, it is hard to avoid thinking that maybe we should invade ourselves. We sure as hell know we have nukes and where to find most of them.

6:35 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As my dear elderly mother says, "Nothing surprises me anymore", I concur.

The more I know, the less I truly understand. Our governments (US/UK) create(d) ALL of the monsters we deal with today. Be it "rogue" nation (Israel is one of many monster nations set up by us)or "terror" cells at one point our governments made them. WHY? After botching the job the first few times do they continue doing the same thing over and over and costing us their citisens tons of lives and money and the world absolute pain. Again WHY?

Sandra in the lost US

7:53 am  
Blogger Richard said...

The only lives that matter to the rulers are 'their' own. Citizen's lives mean nothing - there's always plenty more where we came from.

The citizen's money they use isn't wasted as far as they're concerned - it's just coming from our taxes and going into the corporations pockets. That's why big business 'buys' the politicians it wants in power - you scratch my back & I'll scratch yours.

There's big money to be made in wars. Companies like Carlyle make the armaments and through their sale, overuse, constant, never ending replenishment - are guaranteed a never ending flow of big fat profits. The oilmen are making their millions by simply stealing it - and using the poor unsuspecting troops to help them. And then companies like Halliburton come along behind and hit the jackpot by getting all the post war re-construction contracts

For years, US foreign policy has been -- break it - fix it - bill it. That's how it works - not complicated at all - couldn't be simpler. The rich get richer. Sweet deal, eh?

Meanwhile, what do you or I get? SWFA!

Even Ike himself warned the American people when he was stepping down to "beware the Military Industrial Complex" - he understood it all - he'd experienced it all - 1st hand.

Another great American general, Smedley Butler, also blew the whistle. Trouble is, not enough people heard it. "All wars are rackets!" he said.

Bottom line is - it's ALWAYs about money. Our so called leaders and their cronies make tons of it - from the vanquished and from their own citizen's hard earned tax money too.

The absolute very best we, the citizens, can ever hope to get out of any war - is to simply get through it - in one piece.

Not complicated - but so simple - it's always been one of the most classic cases of the majority of folk, simply not noticing the elephant in the living room.

12:17 pm  
Blogger Elaine Supkis said...

Ike helped birth and grow into the monster it was, that M/I complex.

5:06 pm  
Blogger Elaine Supkis said...

I just got an email from the new editor of Salon.

He wants me to work for them...!

5:07 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

Wow! Go get 'em, Elaine. Brilliant! I am soooo pleased for you.

PS. Can I have your autograph? Heh.

5:18 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

Elaine, I was so excited for you that I've let Tapans know. Hope that's OK?

But know I'm asked if that news can "go public" - or should it be kept confidential until you give clearance?

5:35 pm  
Blogger St!ff M!ttens said...

Why indeed, Sandra.

I think the answer is, boiled down to it's most fundamental rudiments, because that's the way civilization functions. It is essentially a binary oscillation. With one hand we create a problem so that we can resolve it with the other (and vice versa). The human details, while tragic and horrifying, are irrelevant. The push and pull of ideologies is all that matters (and under ideologies, I include the culture of big money). One problem with such a system (and there are obviously many) is that when one hand becomes stronger than the other, the whole thing thing tends to veer off in that direction, thus changing the meaning of moderation.

A more important question might be: what can we do about all this crap? Most people, it seems, approach the current turmoil of civilization in terms of the conflict itself. Should the US (and it's "coalition") withdraw from Iraq, and if so, then when? Is racial profiling an acceptable and effective means to security? Is it a war on terror or a struggle against violent extremism? Who started it? Who new what and when? etc. These sorts of questions are possibly irrelevant as well. Because even if we reach a consensus on those issues (highly unlikely), we still have only addressed symptoms of the underlying disease.

Noel touched upon an interesting notion when he asked when will the US invade Israel, or Pakistan, and then suggested that maybe the US should invade itself. That, to me, is more up the street of what questions we should be asking. But ultimately, that too is just attacking another enemy within the established parameters. Using the left hand to solve the problems created by the right hand, so to speak.

This cycle of oppression >> resistance >> moral indignation >> violence >> oppression will continue so long as people try to maintain civilization as we know it. Not until some astonishingly brilliant individual comes up with the Grand Unification Theory of society will we make any progress.

So, get to work, Poindexter! We're running out of time.
--
St!ff

6:11 pm  
Blogger Elaine Supkis said...

Oh, many Americans want to "invade" America...the right wingers!

Violently, even. Especially places like NYC. If Bin Laden hadn't attacked the WTC, they certainly would have.

Oh, Richard, no contract yet, just opening talks.

6:19 pm  
Blogger JulieDee said...

Think about this Elaine....

If you consider that there have been an average of 160,000 troops in
Theater (Middle East) during the last 22 months, that gives a firearm
death rate of 60 per 100,000.

The rate in Washington, DC is 80.6 per 100,000. That means that you
are 25% more likely to be shot and killed in our Nation's Capitol, which
has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, than you are
in Iraq.

Conclusion: We should immediately pull out of Washington, DC

6:26 pm  
Blogger JulieDee said...

Oh and Elaine.. about Salon... what can I say?

WOOOOOOHOOOOO!

And how about publishing a piece or two of mine? LOL!

:^)

Yer gonna get that a lot ya know! LOL!

6:31 pm  
Blogger St!ff M!ttens said...

Elaine, you illustrate my point. It seems that you are taking the left wing versus right wing tack. And that is precisely the problem: Two prefab ideologies squabbling back and forth about which one has the moral highground while ignoring the underlying issues. It's like two old auto mechanics arguing about whether GM or Mopar makes a better engine. The point is moot because both GM and Mopar engines give off emissions which will eventually kill both of the arguing mechanics.
--
St!ff

7:26 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It seems that you are taking the left wing versus right wing tack. And that is precisely the problem:"Stiff mittens

Exactly and very much encouraged by the media (which own armament and oil companies) and governments (board members of many of the same and security comapnies). A people divided over meaningless idealogies (ignoring the big picture) LOSE. And having lived in the UK, Italy, raised in the US and back in the US after 13 years, I have witnessed first hand the amount of media distortions and non reporting of important events in many nations. It does always seem to come down to profits and power for a few, you are right Richard

What if a faction of the US gov actually had something to do with 911. Buildings CANNOT freefall without help. (It wouldn't be the first the US gov LIED to and endangered its citisens for war) Whatreallyhappened.com has some pretty good articles on this. A non partison site, just wanting an honest government for the people.

Sandra in the lost US

10:03 pm  
Anonymous lon chaney said...

Very interesting, st!ff m!ttens.

So we should Destroy Everything ?!

Ha! ; * p

10:26 pm  
Blogger JulieDee said...

Quite so Mittens! I know very few on the left who are as far left as the rabid right would like to paint them, and few on the right as the lunatic left would have us believe. Most folks in this country are more like me, of the middle of the road camp... fairly right on some things and fairly left on others or like Richard fairly left on some things and fairly right on others. The problem with being in the middle of the road is we all too often get run over by the extremists on either side!

10:34 pm  
Anonymous Ken said...

this is just sick, if those damn tea-toddlers hadnt give them the bomb there would probably be peace in the middle east by now

10:40 pm  
Blogger noel adamson said...

I would note, for better or worse, that it was a German Jew, Albert Einstein, who discovered the physics and mapped them out with math that made the bomb possible. It was also Hitler's irrational and viscious anti-semitic prejudices that most certainly prevented the Nazis from developing it first as he forbade his scientists to use "jewish" theories in their quest to develop it.

As for the "right versus left" illusion of choice I have obsessed on that since I read Kurt Vonnegut's "Cat's Cradle" in the late 60s. It is called controlling the dichotomy. In more ancient time, couched in the religious thought that prevailed at that time, it has also been called the two forks of the serpent's tongue, the knowledge of good and evil and simply the duality to be transcended. In today's political dealings I call it the Pepsi or Coke democracy though Mopar vs. G.M would do as well.

Good luck with Salon Elaine; You have the skills. I hope you get a paying job and imagine they pay well considering the ads you have to watch or price you have to pay to read their web site.

11:31 pm  
Blogger Elaine Supkis said...

It is simple.

Do what you need to do, for yourself and for all others including and especially all other living things on this planet. Not only humans might die in WWIII, all living things are endangered.

As they are today with the ferocious extinction rate.

12:21 am  
Blogger D.F. Facti said...

Why am I not shocked?

What is it that Israel does for us again?

The man-handling of other countries was bound to backfire. But most of the people who started it are dead, so we're stuck with the mess -

and idiots are leading the charge.

12:29 am  
Blogger D.F. Facti said...

Oh, Elaine. COOL news! They really need zippy, sassy commentary. Actually I wasn't going to renew come October, but ...

And, Richard. Forgot to tip my hat - or perhaps I might curtsy but anyway - excellent Wolcott linkage and all!

12:38 am  
Blogger Elaine Supkis said...

Cross blogging alert, Richard!

I cite you in my latest piece. Hope you enjoy it.

I wanted to write it yesterday but got bogged down in various Shuttle incidents!

2:26 am  
Blogger JulieDee said...

Ahhh Cosmic... ain't it nice to stand in the shadow of greatness? :^) I keep telling myself I should be green or some other earth tone with envy but I just can't manage it when it comes to a couple such deserving and talented (not to mention likable) people. Guess I'll have to fall back to cursing how undeserving Rush Limbaugh is!

2:55 am  
Blogger D.F. Facti said...

Guess I'll have to fall back to cursing how undeserving Rush Limbaugh is!

That could take decades!

Hi, JulieDee, this is completely and toally off topic - but I wanted to catch up with you -

'Am reading a book by John Dominic Crossan and Jonathan Reed, In Search of Paul. It's an eye-opener, but I haven't read any other of Crossan's books.

Thanks for the use of your coffee house, Richard! Back to your regularly scheduled blogging.

3:14 am  
Blogger St!ff M!ttens said...

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3:56 am  
Blogger St!ff M!ttens said...

That's right, Lon! Destroy Everything! Wipe the slate clean. Go back to the drawing board. Clearly, there are times when this is the most sensible approach (anyone who has used M$ Windows should recognize the truth of this). Perhaps this is one of those times. I mean, if someone out there has a clearly defined, plausible idea for how to salvage this sinking ship, I'd like to hear it.
--
St!ff

PS - Even a wiseacre launching hostile bon mots from the back row can have a valid point. ;-}

3:59 am  
Blogger St!ff M!ttens said...

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4:16 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm

The real truth sadly is surpressed even when it is found and glaring in your face. Government officials and media heads with other agendas will lead you to where they want you. And help you forget what you saw and heard before they realised the cat was out of the bag.

Tell a lie often enough and the people will believe_Hitler

This "breaking" news is prime example and so is the current "problems".

7:17 am  
Blogger noel adamson said...

"I mean, if someone out there has a clearly defined, plausible idea for how to salvage this sinking ship, I'd like to hear it."

I have predicted for some time now, as some people here may remember from TAPA forums, that the people who the neo con artists have duped into following them will eventually wise up, rise up and, if it's not too late, hang them with their own rope. Then there are plenty of ways to make the world right again, detailed economic plans well conceived political systems to institute and plenty of resources to go around in a well managed scientifically sound system without raping and poisoning the earth. After hearing here of Elaines negotiations with Salon.com I went there, watched the History channel ad for a show on creationism vs. evolution and read a few articles including a review of the Dukes of Hazzard movie released recently. While this may seem like an unlikely source of hope i think not and beg to differ also with some aspects of the review and wrote my own review at Salon after watching it this evening at the local multiplex. Rather than further cluttering other people's blogs I put it on my own blog... and reccomend a low brow evening at the movies to one and all.

8:16 am  
Blogger Richard said...

Phew! Thanks everyone. Lots to read but lots to do, too. I'll catch up here, soon.

2:42 pm  
Anonymous lukery said...

richard you old bastard - im desperately waiting for your post on blairs outrageous comments. HURRY or i'll deport you!

2:53 pm  
Blogger Elaine Supkis said...

Richard, I am posting this here for you just in case.

Whenever anyone cites your text like Walcott and I have been doing, for example, it is really great to go back to your own blog and post the information there. In other words, go to Dashboard, click on "edit" for the story that is cited, then at the bottom of the text, add a new paragraph with the URL that cites you and a remark like "Back talk about the story here" or some such.

This cross posting makes things easier for readers to check out variations of a story and this is vital to how we spread our "memes" namely, our pundit-type talk, this is how phrases and ideas spread.

It makes it easier for Google, too. "Blog swarming" starts this way.

Seriously, especially every time readers alert you to Walcott quoting you, amend your site to show this information.

Gads, I am very pleased with how your blog is coming along. You have even attracted trolls! heh.

5:22 pm  
Blogger St!ff M!ttens said...

Then there are plenty of ways to make the world right again, detailed economic plans well conceived political systems to institute

Give me names, Noel. URLs, Book titles, Authors, etc. I'm not saying that there aren't any such ideas, I just haven't found them yet. Granted, I haven't exactly pursued this with any sort of scholarly rigor, but I have been keeping my eyes peeled. So far, all I've come across is the usual partisan pundits, crackpot theorists, and hipster contrarians. Where is the civilizational R & D department? Please, point me in that direction.

Sincerely and earnestly (despite what others may suggest),
--
St!ff

7:22 pm  
Blogger noel adamson said...

Hey, Stiff

I agree with you that there is plenty of criticism of the outrageous treason going on at the upper reaches of society and very little positive suggestion and my response to your comment was that the economic and political systems we already have would be sufficient with a free ability to evolve and adapt to changes if not for the crooks sitting on things. Also that many people more knowledgable and intelligent than me devote endless hours to this subject.

I thank you for the challenge mittens and will address the positive alternatives, and positive aspects of what is being ruined now soon...I have to do things in the mundane world right now.

8:53 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how 'bout ya go google stiff

1:12 am  
Blogger JulieDee said...

Noel, here's a news story that will brighten your day on my news blog! Seems the pendulum is beginning to swing the other way at last. I could hardly believe seeing a complaint from the Religious Reich about the liberals making an outrageous demand on the subject of Bolton's appointment... The outrageous demand? That people take a little time to think about the information that was presented! Correct me if I'm wrong but I was always taught that thinking things over was a GOOD thing!

I've heard of the book Cosmic... but with all the opiates they have me on it's hard to keep my concentration long enough to understand and comment on a one or 2 page article! You can drop me an email through my profile, please do! I'd love to keep this conversation going where we are not taking up someone else's blog space!

5:21 pm  

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