Boom! Yet Another Bombshell ...
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While the whole world is reflecting on the horrors of Hiroshima some sixty years ago, this absolutely amazing revelation comes to light.
Well, it's certainly come as news to most of us, including quite a few fine fellows like these.
Even this special man was surprised.
But grab tight hold of your hats -- 'cos there's much, much more to come.
Okay, teasing time's over. You know the drill by now. Read the rest via the two links below.
1./ http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1542077,00.html
2./ http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1542129,00.html
While the whole world is reflecting on the horrors of Hiroshima some sixty years ago, this absolutely amazing revelation comes to light.
How the UK gave Israel the bombNow -- is that a bombshell -- or is that a bomshell?
Documents reveal that Britain supplied heavy water without safeguards against military use, enabling the production of nuclear weapons
David Leigh Thursday August 4, 2005
Britain secretly supplied the 20 tons of heavy water to Israel nearly half a century ago which enabled it to make nuclear weapons, according to Whitehall documents which have been discovered at the Public Records Office.
Well, it's certainly come as news to most of us, including quite a few fine fellows like these.
Historians and politicians have been startled by the discovery, which sheds new light on the process by which Israel was able to circumvent attempts to restrict membership of the "nuclear club" to the great powers.Someone else was startled too.
A nuclear specialist, Frank Barnaby, said: "I had no idea at all the British were involved."Talk about shock and awe, eh?
Even this special man was surprised.
When Robert McNamara became the US defence secretary in 1961, he and President Kennedy strived to stop Israel from going on to build nuclear weapons. He told Newsnight last night that he had never known of Britain's behaviour at the time.Unusually, The Guardian gave plenty of precious extra space to this story by running a related piece in tandem. Such was it's stature, I suppose. Here's the opening excerpt from the second story.
"The fact Israel was trying to develop a nuclear bomb should not have come as a surprise but that Britain should have supplied it with heavy water was indeed a surprise to me," he said.
"It's very surprising to me that we weren't told because we shared information about the nuclear bomb very closely with the British."
Boom, boom, you might say - what a bloomin' double-whammy!US kept in the dark as secret nuclear deal was struck
David Leigh Thursday August 4, 2005
Israel's acquisition of nuclear bombs has been one of the most sustained pieces of deceit in recent history. The project was guarded with such passion that in the 1980s the technician Mordechai Vanunu was kidnapped and spent 11 years in solitary
confinement for blowing some of its secrets.
It is remarkable then, that documents lying unnoticed in the public records office at Kew should reveal Britain's hitherto unknown role 47 years ago in deceiving the US and supplying Israel with the means to go nuclear.
But grab tight hold of your hats -- 'cos there's much, much more to come.
At the Foreign Office, Alexander Stirling suggested: "We might make the gesture of informing the Americans ... unless there was any risk of a US firm stealing the Israeli orders."Well, if you still need convincing that this is one hell of a mind-blowing, gob-smacking tale of intrigue, deceit and plain old greed -- try getting your heads round this.
He was rapidly overruled by Douglas Cape, first secretary at the FCO in charge of nuclear security, in terms that made it clear the fear was the US would demand too many safeguards: "I would prefer not to mention this to the Americans lest it lead them to ask us to take up what would in fact be an untenable position vis-a-vis the Norwegians."
The cover story was that the heavy water was "understood to be required by Israel for peaceful use in a reactor connected with desert irrigation".
A US spyplane, the U2, had been taking high-level photos of the activities in the Negev desert. US intelligence had become suspicious, and summoned the Israeli ambassador in Washington to question him.So, what do you think of the smelly show, so far?
In December 1960, a story was planted in the British press, via the Daily Express veteran defence correspondent Chapman Pincher, that Israel was trying to make atomic bombs.
Okay, teasing time's over. You know the drill by now. Read the rest via the two links below.
1./ http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1542077,00.html
2./ http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1542129,00.html
25 Comments:
As my dear elderly mother says, "Nothing surprises me anymore", I concur.
The more I know, the less I truly understand. Our governments (US/UK) create(d) ALL of the monsters we deal with today. Be it "rogue" nation (Israel is one of many monster nations set up by us)or "terror" cells at one point our governments made them. WHY? After botching the job the first few times do they continue doing the same thing over and over and costing us their citisens tons of lives and money and the world absolute pain. Again WHY?
Sandra in the lost US
The only lives that matter to the rulers are 'their' own. Citizen's lives mean nothing - there's always plenty more where we came from.
The citizen's money they use isn't wasted as far as they're concerned - it's just coming from our taxes and going into the corporations pockets. That's why big business 'buys' the politicians it wants in power - you scratch my back & I'll scratch yours.
There's big money to be made in wars. Companies like Carlyle make the armaments and through their sale, overuse, constant, never ending replenishment - are guaranteed a never ending flow of big fat profits. The oilmen are making their millions by simply stealing it - and using the poor unsuspecting troops to help them. And then companies like Halliburton come along behind and hit the jackpot by getting all the post war re-construction contracts
For years, US foreign policy has been -- break it - fix it - bill it. That's how it works - not complicated at all - couldn't be simpler. The rich get richer. Sweet deal, eh?
Meanwhile, what do you or I get? SWFA!
Even Ike himself warned the American people when he was stepping down to "beware the Military Industrial Complex" - he understood it all - he'd experienced it all - 1st hand.
Another great American general, Smedley Butler, also blew the whistle. Trouble is, not enough people heard it. "All wars are rackets!" he said.
Bottom line is - it's ALWAYs about money. Our so called leaders and their cronies make tons of it - from the vanquished and from their own citizen's hard earned tax money too.
The absolute very best we, the citizens, can ever hope to get out of any war - is to simply get through it - in one piece.
Not complicated - but so simple - it's always been one of the most classic cases of the majority of folk, simply not noticing the elephant in the living room.
Wow! Go get 'em, Elaine. Brilliant! I am soooo pleased for you.
PS. Can I have your autograph? Heh.
Elaine, I was so excited for you that I've let Tapans know. Hope that's OK?
But know I'm asked if that news can "go public" - or should it be kept confidential until you give clearance?
Why indeed, Sandra.
I think the answer is, boiled down to it's most fundamental rudiments, because that's the way civilization functions. It is essentially a binary oscillation. With one hand we create a problem so that we can resolve it with the other (and vice versa). The human details, while tragic and horrifying, are irrelevant. The push and pull of ideologies is all that matters (and under ideologies, I include the culture of big money). One problem with such a system (and there are obviously many) is that when one hand becomes stronger than the other, the whole thing thing tends to veer off in that direction, thus changing the meaning of moderation.
A more important question might be: what can we do about all this crap? Most people, it seems, approach the current turmoil of civilization in terms of the conflict itself. Should the US (and it's "coalition") withdraw from Iraq, and if so, then when? Is racial profiling an acceptable and effective means to security? Is it a war on terror or a struggle against violent extremism? Who started it? Who new what and when? etc. These sorts of questions are possibly irrelevant as well. Because even if we reach a consensus on those issues (highly unlikely), we still have only addressed symptoms of the underlying disease.
Noel touched upon an interesting notion when he asked when will the US invade Israel, or Pakistan, and then suggested that maybe the US should invade itself. That, to me, is more up the street of what questions we should be asking. But ultimately, that too is just attacking another enemy within the established parameters. Using the left hand to solve the problems created by the right hand, so to speak.
This cycle of oppression >> resistance >> moral indignation >> violence >> oppression will continue so long as people try to maintain civilization as we know it. Not until some astonishingly brilliant individual comes up with the Grand Unification Theory of society will we make any progress.
So, get to work, Poindexter! We're running out of time.
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St!ff
Think about this Elaine....
If you consider that there have been an average of 160,000 troops in
Theater (Middle East) during the last 22 months, that gives a firearm
death rate of 60 per 100,000.
The rate in Washington, DC is 80.6 per 100,000. That means that you
are 25% more likely to be shot and killed in our Nation's Capitol, which
has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, than you are
in Iraq.
Conclusion: We should immediately pull out of Washington, DC
Oh and Elaine.. about Salon... what can I say?
WOOOOOOHOOOOO!
And how about publishing a piece or two of mine? LOL!
:^)
Yer gonna get that a lot ya know! LOL!
Elaine, you illustrate my point. It seems that you are taking the left wing versus right wing tack. And that is precisely the problem: Two prefab ideologies squabbling back and forth about which one has the moral highground while ignoring the underlying issues. It's like two old auto mechanics arguing about whether GM or Mopar makes a better engine. The point is moot because both GM and Mopar engines give off emissions which will eventually kill both of the arguing mechanics.
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St!ff
"It seems that you are taking the left wing versus right wing tack. And that is precisely the problem:"Stiff mittens
Exactly and very much encouraged by the media (which own armament and oil companies) and governments (board members of many of the same and security comapnies). A people divided over meaningless idealogies (ignoring the big picture) LOSE. And having lived in the UK, Italy, raised in the US and back in the US after 13 years, I have witnessed first hand the amount of media distortions and non reporting of important events in many nations. It does always seem to come down to profits and power for a few, you are right Richard
What if a faction of the US gov actually had something to do with 911. Buildings CANNOT freefall without help. (It wouldn't be the first the US gov LIED to and endangered its citisens for war) Whatreallyhappened.com has some pretty good articles on this. A non partison site, just wanting an honest government for the people.
Sandra in the lost US
Very interesting, st!ff m!ttens.
So we should Destroy Everything ?!
Ha! ; * p
Quite so Mittens! I know very few on the left who are as far left as the rabid right would like to paint them, and few on the right as the lunatic left would have us believe. Most folks in this country are more like me, of the middle of the road camp... fairly right on some things and fairly left on others or like Richard fairly left on some things and fairly right on others. The problem with being in the middle of the road is we all too often get run over by the extremists on either side!
this is just sick, if those damn tea-toddlers hadnt give them the bomb there would probably be peace in the middle east by now
Why am I not shocked?
What is it that Israel does for us again?
The man-handling of other countries was bound to backfire. But most of the people who started it are dead, so we're stuck with the mess -
and idiots are leading the charge.
Oh, Elaine. COOL news! They really need zippy, sassy commentary. Actually I wasn't going to renew come October, but ...
And, Richard. Forgot to tip my hat - or perhaps I might curtsy but anyway - excellent Wolcott linkage and all!
Ahhh Cosmic... ain't it nice to stand in the shadow of greatness? :^) I keep telling myself I should be green or some other earth tone with envy but I just can't manage it when it comes to a couple such deserving and talented (not to mention likable) people. Guess I'll have to fall back to cursing how undeserving Rush Limbaugh is!
Guess I'll have to fall back to cursing how undeserving Rush Limbaugh is!
That could take decades!
Hi, JulieDee, this is completely and toally off topic - but I wanted to catch up with you -
'Am reading a book by John Dominic Crossan and Jonathan Reed, In Search of Paul. It's an eye-opener, but I haven't read any other of Crossan's books.
Thanks for the use of your coffee house, Richard! Back to your regularly scheduled blogging.
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That's right, Lon! Destroy Everything! Wipe the slate clean. Go back to the drawing board. Clearly, there are times when this is the most sensible approach (anyone who has used M$ Windows should recognize the truth of this). Perhaps this is one of those times. I mean, if someone out there has a clearly defined, plausible idea for how to salvage this sinking ship, I'd like to hear it.
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St!ff
PS - Even a wiseacre launching hostile bon mots from the back row can have a valid point. ;-}
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The real truth sadly is surpressed even when it is found and glaring in your face. Government officials and media heads with other agendas will lead you to where they want you. And help you forget what you saw and heard before they realised the cat was out of the bag.
Tell a lie often enough and the people will believe_Hitler
This "breaking" news is prime example and so is the current "problems".
Phew! Thanks everyone. Lots to read but lots to do, too. I'll catch up here, soon.
richard you old bastard - im desperately waiting for your post on blairs outrageous comments. HURRY or i'll deport you!
Then there are plenty of ways to make the world right again, detailed economic plans well conceived political systems to institute
Give me names, Noel. URLs, Book titles, Authors, etc. I'm not saying that there aren't any such ideas, I just haven't found them yet. Granted, I haven't exactly pursued this with any sort of scholarly rigor, but I have been keeping my eyes peeled. So far, all I've come across is the usual partisan pundits, crackpot theorists, and hipster contrarians. Where is the civilizational R & D department? Please, point me in that direction.
Sincerely and earnestly (despite what others may suggest),
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St!ff
how 'bout ya go google stiff
Noel, here's a news story that will brighten your day on my news blog! Seems the pendulum is beginning to swing the other way at last. I could hardly believe seeing a complaint from the Religious Reich about the liberals making an outrageous demand on the subject of Bolton's appointment... The outrageous demand? That people take a little time to think about the information that was presented! Correct me if I'm wrong but I was always taught that thinking things over was a GOOD thing!
I've heard of the book Cosmic... but with all the opiates they have me on it's hard to keep my concentration long enough to understand and comment on a one or 2 page article! You can drop me an email through my profile, please do! I'd love to keep this conversation going where we are not taking up someone else's blog space!
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