Blogroll Me! How This Old Brit Sees It ...: ABC - With them or against them ?

30 July 2005

ABC - With them or against them ?

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Considering how much they've had to say about terrorism and terrorists over the last few years and how strongly they've spat it out, one would think America's ABC TV network would know better. Alas, that's apparently not the case.

The bearded beast pictured above is Shamil Basayev. The other photos show some of this self confessed master terrorist's innocent infant victims -- of which, 180 had their lovely little lives simply snuffed right out, en masse.

Remember this rat? This big brave self styled Chechen warlord? Remember him? And the sheer bloody barbarity of the Beslan school siege and susequent massacre? Eh? Remember?

And there's more.

Basayev, who has a £5.7m bounty on his head, admits that he masterminded just about every terrorist attack on Russia in the last decade, including the Beslan school siege, the Dubrovka theatre siege, the Budennovsk hospital siege and last year's suicide bombing of two passenger airliners.

Nice guy, eh? Sort of an "Atrocities R Us" arsehole, eh? I ask you -- would you give this bastard the chance to brag and boast about his diabolical deeds? The opportunity to 'show off' in public and gloat on air?

"I admit I'm a bad guy, a bandit and a terrorist ...

Would you put out a programme presenting such a public, platform-on-a-plate to a beast like Basayev?

Not many people I've met would willingly offer an animal like this, free television air-time. But then again, not many people I've met are the ABC TV network.

"The Chechen people are dearer to me than the rest of the world," Basayev said, warning he had no intention of giving up. "I'm making new plans. We're always looking for new ways."
One could easily be tempted to wonder exactly where ABC's true loyalties lay. Who are they really with and who are they really against? Which war comes first in their book? Could it possibly be the viewer 'ratings' war?

Don't ABC know their country is at war? At war, not with one particular nation, but with terror itself - and all it's terrible terrorists? I mean, aren't all terrorists the enemy? So isn't what ABC have just done, actually providing the enemy with comfort and support?

Well, This Old Brit's no lawyer, but isn't that kind of thing illegal during war time? And if it isn't -- shouldn't it be?

As for the odious oink who ok'd this broadcast -- if wit were shit, I'd say the cretin in question must have chronic constipation. Can you imagine the absolute uproar all across America, if anything remotely resembling this type of "pornoganda" had been aired by .... erm ..... um .... say ..... Aljazerra?

Not only is it unbelievably tasteless, but it's stupefyingly tactless too. I mean, doesn't the US government have enough foreign policy problems, already? And aren't there yet enough of the world's nations, sick and sodding tired of Bushamerica's current maladministration?

* A diplomatic row has erupted between Russia and the United States after the ABC TV network ran an interview with Moscow's most wanted man, the Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev.

* Russia was outraged that ABC had felt it acceptable to broadcast such an interview and accused Washington ....

* America's most senior diplomat in Moscow was summoned to the Russian Foreign Ministry for a dressing down, while MPs called on the Kremlin to retaliate against Washington through diplomatic channels.

Oooh! So Russia resents it, eh? Well, ........ surprise, surprise.

Russia's ambassador to the United States apparently tried in vain to block the interview's broadcast and Moscow appeared to blame the American government yesterday for not doing more to stop ABC.

Read the UK Independent's report, filed by their man in Moscow, Andrew Osborn.


Blogger D.F. Facti said...

Let's see. The same brave broadcast network, ABC, which refused to air a commercial for the United Church of Christ featuring a message of inclusiveness for gay people (and others), runs an interview with someone who is on Russia's most wanted list. Kinda like a Russian TV station running an interview with Osama bin Laden. Hmmm...

Frankly (my dear) there is more to this than ratings. Disney, a component of the Dow Jones 30 industrials index, owns ABC. BushCo is trying - with pathetic results - to tame Putin. How can Disney and BushCo synergize?

Allegedly Shamil Basayev was trained in a CIA sponsored camp in Afghanistan like OBL.

From the Asian Tribune:
"The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO), a grouping of China, Russia and four Central Asian republics, issued an unprecedented statement at a summit meeting on July 5 in Kazakhstan calling on the United States to set a deadline for the removal of its military bases in Central Asia." 31/7/2005

The interview is a *F* you to Putin, et al. That's my cursory reading anyway.

The media in the US are strictly pimps for BushCo. I cannot believe that this interview is accidental or merely promotional.

2:23 am  
Anonymous Rosemary said...

It is more than a diplomatic "Fuck you".
It surely was intended to ratchet up the Terrorism message right here at home.

A Bill making PERMANENT the USA P.A.T.R.I.O.T. ACT is due for debate in the U.S. Senate directly after the summer break. It has already passed the House of Representatives. (in the evening after the 7/7 London Bombings) Supposedly senators will be in their home states for the next month listening to their constituents. I would not be surprised if the next month will have a few more examples of ratcheting up the terror message in preparation for a quick vote.

5:38 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Definitely a fuck you. America (not the people, but the powers that be) is pissed Russia ia supporting Iran in its nuclear energy programs and has warned America off.

So America is doing two things here with their MSM. Airing programs that portray "Arabs" and Iran as "possible" baddies and Russia "maybe" a baddie to its misunderstood neighbours. Even on PBS which is supposed to be a public education, no political angles, just the facts info channel

This is all a mental fuck. Again is there two different shades of terrorist to the American government?

Sandra in the lost US

An interseting anology on a site I frequent of what a lot of this may be about. America is screwed in real life financially, so you have to look at all the angles to figure out the powers to be and why they are acting so irrational and not listening to the people. I have met not one person (and my friends and business associates are very diverse) that is happy with the pres or Congress. In a poll the other night on CNN 96% felt Congress wasn't listening to them.

7:11 am  
Blogger Elaine Supkis said...

Bush is owned by China.

The Chinese want the Russians to be closer to them. So they get Bush to alienate Putin.....

1:37 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

Boy! Does This Old Brit's blog have some smart readers & posters.

We are so lucky to have you all here. Thanks once again for your continually, informative & enlightening input.

Together, we are geting the info out there - I mean across the whole world, btw.

I collect [via stat software] all avaiable info regarding where in the world The Old Brit [and our reader commentators] are read. I'll publish a list of countries, soon.

I think you'll be extremely surprised. You should feel encouraged also, because YOUR comments are truly helping to draw increasing numbers of international readers here.

You should all feel very proud, too. Thanks a milion everyone.

3:30 pm  
Anonymous bluey said...

Now the Russians hit back.

" Russian military bars US channel"

Sunday 31 July 2005, 18:03 Makka Time, 15:03 GMT

Russia's defence minister has said he is barring military personnel from contact with ABC after the American television channel telecast an interview with the Chechen Shamil Basayev.

Speaking from the Russian Far Eastern port of Vladivostok, Sergei Ivanov said the Defence Ministry now considered ABC persona non grata following the interview, shown on Thursday.

"Today I have given the order to the head of the press service that not one serviceman of the Defence Ministry should have contact with the American television channel ABC. We will continue to act openly with the press, but this channel will not be invited to the Defence Ministry and no interviews will be given to it," Ivanov said in televised comments.

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4:53 pm  
Anonymous bluey said...

Old Brit was right again abot the SAS. I can't remember when or where. Look at this I have read online today in the Daily Mirror {UK paper}

30 July 2005

By Chris Ryan, ex-Sas Soldier

THE SAS has been working in London since the 21/7 attempted suicide bomb attacks.

But after Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes was shot they were all called back to Hereford.

Everything stopped for three days while an investigation went on.

Now they are back in town. Yesterday I saw two of the guys in action, working with the police elite SO19 firearm squad.

They wore T-shirts and jeans with body armour and ski masks and carried MP5 automatics and a side arm, probably a SIG 226 or 228

The skills they have above the police are, for example, explosive entry - to blow the doors off a building to get in.

They will also be giving them advice on house assaults and, if anything gets really tasty, the regiment guys would go through the doors first.

Obviously the big risk is the suicide bombers might be ready to blow themselves up. So if the SAS go in first they are a bit more ruthless.

They train SO19 so they know each other very well. The police come up and use the ranges in Hereford and the regiment pass on a lot of skills and methods.

I would imagine each SO19 team has a couple of SAS guys with them at the moment.

The big difference is SO19 are police. They are solving a crime and want to apprehend a criminal. The SAS are brought in to resolve a situation with violence and don't give a monkey's.

Without a doubt, if the SAS go into a building they go in to eliminate.

You cannot muck around with a suicide bomber or anyone who has a bomb.

By arresting anyone like that you are taking huge risks, with the surrounding civilian population, the police and the military. The police in Birmingham took a gamble to take down that guy with a Taser gun.

There is only one way to deal with terrorists - head shots and eliminate them. There is been a lot of rubbish spoken about the headshots policy. It was developed years ago by the regiment.

We developed what is called a double tap into the head when you sever the spinal cord and there are no messages going to any part of the body - so a suicide bomber is incapable of pulling a trigger or pressing a button.

This the link ==>

5:50 pm  
Anonymous bluey said...

PS - I should have told you but I forgot to mention - I am an Aussie.

5:54 pm  
Blogger noel adamson said...

Having squandered our loot and interim good will we have come full circle and the only remaining strength in the British and U.S. empires is military and it's closely related corporate propaganda machine so "we" must do everything possible to bring everyone to the battlefield to have any advantage whatsoever. It would be suicide for anyone to fight against "us".

Getting us to panic or flip out is easy though. It doesn't take 30,000 extremely powerful bombs delivered by million dollar missiles and billion dollar planes as with the assault and battery of Iraq; just a couple pounds of explosives delivered by hand.

Too bad we didn't drill wells in Africa for the thirsty, help Iraq develop their oil assets for the benefit of their people, allow Iran to keep the leader they had in 1953, allow Chile to keep the leader they elected in 1973, recognize Ho Chi Mihn and Vietnamese soverignty...and page upon page more. We'd have a whole lot of trading partners who would love us by now. Too our "leaders" lied to the electorate for so long and to such a great extent.

Elaine is right, China owns us as does Saudi Arabia. And Rupert Murdoch, Ken Lay and a small cadre of other vultures feeding on the carcass of these two empires at the additional expense of our democracy and freedom. By force.

It is probably too late for we, the people, to disavow connection with BushCo, Blair & Bin Laden Ltd. too since so many so loudly proclaimed their support for them and hatred for all things else. We could try though. Bring them all to Nuremberg style trials, let them swing and hope it is viewed as a peace offering and apology by the rest of the world.

Of course BushCo will try and shift more of the blowback towards Russia and two shots to the head for anyone who disagrees!

8:04 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"We spread disproportionate terror and confusion in the public mind, arbitrarily linking the unrelated problems of terrorism and Iraq. The result, and perhaps the motive, is to justify a vast misallocation of shrinking public wealth to the military and to weaken the safeguards that protect American citizens from the heavy hand of government."-Quote from the resignation letter of U.S. Ambassador John Brady Keisling resignation letter Feb. 27, 2003.

Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.- Sir Henry Kissinger
in an address to the Bilderberger meeting at Evian, France, May 21, 1992.---This is the same man in the recent CFR magazine "Don't Exclude Military Action Against Iran if Negotiations Fail"

."The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizen of this plight." President John Fitzgerald Kennedy - In a speech made to Columbia University on Nov. 12, 1963, ten days before his assassination .

"NAFTA is a major stepping stone to the New World Order." - Henry Kissinger when campaigning for the passage of NAFTA.

"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have." - Richard Salent, former pres. CBS News

"News is what someone wants to suppress. Everything else is advertising." - Rubin Frank, former president NBC News

"We tell the people what they need to know, not what they want to know." - Frank Sesno, CNN News

We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.- David Rockefeller speaking at the Business Council for the UN, Sept. 14, 1994

Just some of the many truthful things these meglamaniacs have been saying for years (to our faces) and we just brush it off. They are playing a game with us (the citisens of the world) and those not invited, it appears Russia may not be invited as is.

9:08 am  
Blogger Richard said...

Like I said, some very smart and much appreciated posters here. And those quotes from anon are particulary "telling".

5:13 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Russians kill from a distance, with artillery, missiles, bombs, tanks -- probably 500,000 Chechens killed in the last ten years. Grozny is a ghost town, destroyed as if it never existed. And why? Because Putin refuses to give the Chechens the independence they've deserved ever since Stalin tried to exterminate them 60 years ago.

This rebel leader and Chechen patriot you hate and revile so much has been responsible for killing maybe a thousand people, but because he kills them up close and personal, and doesn't have tanks, armored cars, fighter jets, artillery pieces, a modern, mechanized army to do his killing from afar, you condemn him, but you avoid the reason for all this death and murder, which is that the Russian Empire won't let these people go.

I know it feels good to have "two minutes of hate" towards this Chechen and towards ABC, but how about you balance those two minutes with a couple of hours directed toward Putin and the thugs around him who kill more in a week than this man can kill in a year.

-- Basharov

3:23 am  
Blogger Richard said...


You've deduced incorrectly.

No way have I ever, nor would I, in a million years, defend debauched despots like Stalin or Putin.

This Old Brit tackles one topic at a time - usually related to current events. Stalin and/or Putin may very well, one day, become topics taken on.

However, the fact that one mass murderer of innocents may not yet have slaughtered as many as some others have -- in no way makes him any less guilty and contemptable.

To believe or imply otherwise, is either extremely naive or deliberately disingenous. (Or perhaps plain mischievous?)

11:24 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

New York Times: Caryle Group, Eli Lilly, Ford, Johnson and Johnson, Hallmark, Lehman Brothers, Staples, Pepsi
Washington Post: Lockheed Martin, Coca-Cola, Dun & Bradstreet, Gillette, G.E. Investments, J.P. Morgan,
Knight-Ridder: Adobe Systems, Echelon, H&R Block, Kimberly-Clark, Starwood Hotels
The Tribune (Chicago & LA Times): 3M, Allstate, Caterpillar, Conoco Phillips, Kraft, McDonalds, Pepsi, Quaker Oats, Shering Plough, Wells Fargo
News Corp (Fox): British Airways, Rothschild Investments
GE (NBC): Anheuser-Busch, Avon, Bechtel, Chevron/Texaco, Coca-Cola, Dell, GM, Home Depot, Kellogg, J.P. Morgan, Microsoft, Motorola, Procter & Gamble, Disney (ABC): Boeing, Northwest Airlines, Clorox, Estee Lauder, FedEx, Gillette, Halliburton, Kmart, McKesson, Staples, Yahoo,
Viacom (CBS): American Express, Consolidated Edison, Oracle, Lafarge North America
Gannett: AP, Lockheed-Martin, Continental Airlines, Goldman Sachs, Prudential, Target,
Pepsi,AOL-Time Warner (CNN): Citigroup, Estee Lauder, Colgate-Palmolive, Hilton

They ALL have MAJOR conflict of interest and are to be ignored. None are coming from an "independent" point of view.

7:08 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Basically knowing that ABC is a part of halliburtonhell, is all you need to know for the reason of this "documentary" and interview.

7:15 am  
Blogger Richard said...

I think you nail it, annon.

3:06 pm  

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