Blogroll Me! How This Old Brit Sees It ...: US Democratic Presidential Candidates : Who Stands For Small Change And Who Stands For A Chance For Real Change?

05 March 2008

US Democratic Presidential Candidates : Who Stands For Small Change And Who Stands For A Chance For Real Change?


Yep. We know. After all these years, who doesn't?

So, see and hear a few home truths.

Rumours are rapidly reaching Britain's shores that there are still some American Democrats saying they're seeking "change," but still don't understand the real meaning of the word.

Nor does said certain section of self deluding (though well meaning), Democrat dudes seem even close to comprehending the (self evident), concept of 'Same old, same old'.

And that's such a crying shame.

We mean, shouldn't someone stand up and say something about the last several years of the United States' serial, political charades?

Surely, given half a proper chance, the people would want to be wised up.

Well, wouldn't they?

After all, nobody likes the last laugh being on themselves.

Well, do they?

And who among us ever enjoys the joke being on 'us'? Unless of course it's still true today that there's one born every minute?

Well, whatever.

We sincerely & firmly believe that at the end of the day, the American public will prove to the wider world at large that they are NOT ALL plonkers. And, that they'll prove it - by realising before it's too late that there truly is a genuine chance for change.

And, that chance for change - is Senator Barack Obama.

[As for the old Republican lag, McCain ... in Britain, McCain (in the main), makes oven chips.]

*(Cross posted at Appletree)

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Blogger Twilight said...

For once I don't agree with you Richard.

Either one of the Democratic candidates will bring change - I don't think there's any doubt about it. And change for the better. There will be a limit to what change any politician can make, let's not kid ourselves.

The Clintons are being unfairly vilified by Obama's supporters, in my opinion. Obama is being viewed as squeaky clean, and infallible, equally unfairly - the guy can't live up to it - not as Washington is now - and one man can't change it - he's not Superman for goodness sake.

I'd be happy to see either Senators Clinton or Obama as president, and the kind of opinions going round the blogosphere just now, where one set of supporters say they wouldn't vote for the other candidate if nominated can do nothing but harm to the Democratic party and the country.... and if McCain got into power because of it, the world! :-(

The most important thing is to get a Democrat as president - nothing else matters, IMHO.

Getting down from soapbox.

2:53 am  
Blogger DoctorBoogaloo said...

This seems like the American equivalent of the War of the Roses. Without the armies... just two families sharing the 'throne' every four to eight years.

Too much power in too few hands.

Like the world in general.

3:00 am  
Anonymous gordo said...


While I agree that Clinton would be a big improvement over Bush, I don't think that she's the kind of politician who can bring about the kind of transformation that the US needs.

Just remember her husband's presidency. He signed anti-gay and anti-abortion legislation. He threw millions off of the welfare rolls, then refused to allow government agencies to track how many of them actually found jobs. He didn't invade and occupy any countries, but he had a hair trigger when it came to bombing them.

Yes, he was better than Bush. But his presidency didn't get America ready for the 21st century, it got America ready to buy into the simpleminded, jingoistic, xenophobic rhetoric that would result in eight years of the Bush regime.

As Richard says, America needs REAL change, not just modest improvement. And our only chance of getting it is Barack Obama.

3:48 am  
Blogger Wisewebwoman said...

There are such clearly divided lines in the Democratic camp.
I am very much on the side of Hillary winning, for many reasons, not least of which is her pro-bono work for the poorest of women and children and her stance on human rights.
Obama would make a terrific vice-president - for now.
I hope the two of them get their joint act together and become unbeatable.

6:33 am  
Blogger dubhaltach said...

You obviously didn't get the memo Richard tsk tsk tsk ...

"McCain (in the main), makes oven chips."


They make:

"Oven Freedom Fries"

Everyone knows that :-) Hope you're feeling brighteyed and bushytailed again.


8:45 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Over the last couple of days Clinton hasn't said it in so many words, but she's certainly implied it in undisguised terms

That is ... that she has the experience, know how, connections et al to make her a good president ... AND THAT THE SAME APPLIES TO McCAIN

WTF? How low can she stoop?

Imagine the outcry if Obama had said the same kind of thing about himself and McCain.

10:40 am  
Anonymous peter england said...

300 million Americans - and indirectly hundreds of millions of others around the world - governed by two families only - for 20 years already - and now one of those families is trying to get control for another 8 years?

Jesus H. Why did America ever waste so much time and so many lives to have a bloody revolution? They already had a Royal Family, for Pete's sake.

10:58 am  
Anonymous laura mac said...

No disrespect to "old" Brit or any others gathered here but, why haven't we heard anything about Clinton's probable\\improbable ability\\inability to take all the 'strains' ahead and to 'last the distance' - like we have heard constantly about McCain?

Looking at her lately, I have my doubts. Grave doubts.

At best, she'll just want a comfortable ride and won't be too fussy about who does the driving and where they take her.

Know what I mean?

1:40 pm  
Blogger Twilight said...


You said

While I agree that Clinton would be a big improvement over Bush, I don't think that she's the kind of politician who can bring about the kind of transformation that the US needs.

Ideally you may be right, you are much better informed than I am on this tiopic - however, if it turns out that the majority, or a near majority of Americans are not quite ready yet for the change you want, then it's not yet time. I think Obama's fans ought to take that into consideration - they are NOT the only Americans.

2:21 pm  
Blogger Twilight said...

Just to balance all the anti-Hillary stuff, and balance is sorely needed, there's a YouTube video which is worth 3 mins of anyone's time.

2:41 pm  
Anonymous max said...

How can Clinton ever be trusted, relied on or respected if she's prepaired to treat Obama, in public [one of her own fellow Dem Senators] like this?

"I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House.
Sen. John McCain has a lifetime of experience that he’d bring to the White House.
And Sen. Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

Hell hath no fury, eh?

(Btw, I'd be very interested to hear WHAT lifetime of experience she's had)

4:30 pm  
Anonymous R J Adams said...

Ah, TOB, once again you've been voted the Sparrow Chat pin-up: Hot-Link of the Week.

8:05 pm  
Anonymous bluey said...

I'm glad I don't have to call this one, 'cos I can see the pluses and minuses of each of these people.

If only John Edwards was still been in the picture I'd have no problem deciding.

Such is life ... a whole series of "if onlys."

11:20 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reading some of the comments here pretty well prove that there are a lot of people in America are actually frightened at the very thought of any "real" change.

So be it then. But how sad to personally [by choice] "ensure" that you'll never know what you're missing.

The word Luddites springs to mind.

11:39 am  
Blogger Twilight said...

Why Anonymous ? - Because we choose to think for ourselves rather than by led by our noses by the corrupt MSM?

A word springs to my mind too.

2:44 pm  
Anonymous martha said...

Sorry, Richard and others. I'm with Twilight and Wisewebwoman on this one.

{Fwiw, like Bluey, I also wanted Edwards originally.}

6:18 pm  

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