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27 May 2005


M. ChertoffPosted by Hello

I have never, never, never felt so bloody angry. Not in my considerably, long life. Nor, have I ever been so shocked. Nor, have I ever resolved to be so absolutely determined. So help me; I swear.

I am a British subject. I am a free man. I am law abiding. I am a grandfather. And, as I write today's 'Old Brit' blog - I am making a prediction. On second thoughts - make that 'a promise'.

Why? Just take a look at this.

** "The United States wants Britain's proposed identity cards to have the same microchip and technology as the ones used on American documents.

The aim of getting the same microchip is to ensure compatability in screening terrorist suspects.

But it will also mean that information contained in the British cards can be accessed across the Atlantic.

Michael Chertoff, the newly appointed US Secretary for Homeland Security, has already had talks with the Home Secretary," **

The above clip is from a report in today's 'Independent'. I could not believe what I was reading. I am, to put it mildly, incandescent with rage. So are many others I've spoken with. And, so will millions more Brits be, when the enormity of this, sinks in.

This is outrageous. This is unthinkable. This is a scandal. This is intolerable. This is a nightmare. Moreover, this is a recipe for disaster.

What, in the name of God, is going on here?

** Mr Chertoff said compatability and the checking system was intended purely to track down "terrorists and criminals" and the main aim was to provide a "fair and reasonable system". **

Well, here's what 'This Old Brit' says, Mr Chertoff:
" WTF do you think you are?"

Regarding the prediction-cum-promise I mentioned earlier -- millions of Britons will NOT put up with this. Millions of Britons will go to prison before they'll be dictated to by the likes of you - but only if about another hundred thousand or so prisons can be built; in a bloody big hurry, too.

I repeat:

" Michael Chertoff - WTF do you think you are? "

As if Big-Brother Blair's plans for compulsory ID cards for all Britons wasn't bad enough. As if his further plans to charge us £100 each for them, wasn't bad enough. Now, we're also expected to meekly accept this insane idealogue's incendary ideas, too!

I should stop right now. Having a heart attack or thrombosis, won't help turf this 'jerkoff - Chertoff ' creep straight back to whichever dark planet he previously inhabited.

Before I finish though, here's another message - with love from me to you - you ... you ... you ... jerkoff-Chertoff !

"If you somehow, miraculously, managed to physically magic your entire country right here to me - let me tell you, Mr Michael Chertoff -- I would still not visit it.
Not while you and your insane ilk, hold sway!"

Get the full story direct from The Independent, by hitting the link below.

STOP PRESS: Look who my stat software/spyware tells me is reading my blog - right now!!!

**** ---------- Hello, fellahs. I know what you're thinking. Same to you, too!

BTW, aren't you guys [and girls] in the 'U.S. Dept of State' supposed to be busy bringing 'freedom' to the world. Won't you get into hot water wasting your valuable time, energy & resources watching an old codger like me? Eh? Heh. I'm very flattered, just the same. 8^P


Anonymous Rosemary said...


As promised, you went Ballistic!!!

There has not been nearly enough alarm spreading here about that ID chip. I think either that people don't know about it or the activists already have too many things to be angry about and to focus their work on.

Opposition to the Patriot Act itself is building in places where it can pay off -- local city councils (who have some control on local police) and state legislatures and, of course, librarians. It is spreading across the country.

This opposition has strong bipartisan support. Republicans don't like being spied on any more than Democrats do and they don't want anyone telling them what they can and cannot read. Libertarians don't want government intrusion in their private lives.

This opposition has focused on personal contact with elected officials that can be approached close to home rather than marching in the streets or hanging banners on the the freeway overpasses or in doing other things to try to get media attention.

Also attorneys across the country (those who don't serve corporate interests) have been quick to volunteer time where needed. The ACLU has been able to develop good rosters of attorneys to call on in every state.

Good luck in helping to spread the alarm in Britain, Richard.

2:20 am  
Anonymous Polly in CA said...

And it was another Brit who wrote <"1984">. Will you outraged Brits be able to stop Blair from allowing this serious intrusion on your privacy? Can your Parliament prevent this?

In the U.S., almost every week hackers get into the data base of a university, bank or other large institution. Identity theft is rampant. If our government suceeds in this scam, every U.S. citizen will be vulnerable.

The freedom that Bush speaks about so glowingly is disappearing from the United States. The German people of the 1930s were induced to give up their freedom to protect themselves from the terrifying Jews. We Americans are being suckered by the specter of terrifying Arabs.
It's a bizzaro world.

3:56 am  
Blogger Richard said...

* There has not been nearly enough alarm spreading here about that ID chip. I think either that people don't know about it *

Although most people here are aware of the planned ID cards, very few have grasped the enormity of the idea. No one can even begin to guess what kind of personal information[s] will be hidden in these chips.

Personal, financial, medical, political - and worst of all - mistakes and/or deliberately planted lies for some individuals. Think the George Galloways of the world.

There's already a lot of opposition to the idea - it won't go through as smoothly as Blair thinks - if it goes through at all. Recently, the opposition's grown even more, since we learned we're going to have to PAY out of our pockets for these cards.

Even more recently we've learned they'r going to cost even more than was initially quoted. We're now talking over £100 per person - and there's 60 million people here. Some nice little earner, eh?

If people took the streets when Mad Maggie went a step too far with the poll-tax - I see even bigger protests eventually, over this.

Of course, the message has to be gotten out - far & wide enough - and in simple to understand layman's language.

11:42 am  
Blogger Richard said...

Hi, Polly.

As mentyioned in reply to Rosemary, the opposition is growing all the time. Amongst increasing number of both people AND politicians.

The message has to be hammered home though -- loudly, consistently, nationally and internationally. It's got to be kept and explained in simple terms too. The government spin machine [obviously] is already in overdrive - saying how good an idea it is.

Like you say, far too many people are far too easily 'suckered' into believing they NEED this sort of stuff. That it's for their benefit rather than [truthfully] to their detriment.

It's going to be a long, hard grind if we're to suceed in kicking such draconian stuff into touch.

Hopefully, enough of us will continue shouting so LOUDLY, that the majority will wake up - and make their determination to wreck these measures, so plain, that government[s] will have second thoughts.

'Suckered' is an apt word. Like Hitler's nazi's [as you mentioned] and Stalin and Mussolinni's crews too - Bush & Blair know that "perception is everything".

Well, lets hope people such as ourselves can change the genaral public's perception of the 'deception' which these crooks are employing.

11:57 am  
Blogger D.F. Facti said...

From Dept. of Homeland Security website, Chertoff's remarks at Center for Strategic and International Studies, May 19, 2005

"And by the way, you want an ability to update that so that if you get something -- information about a person in year one, and the person -- something happens and they become a terrorist in year eight, you're going to find out about that. And I think you can build that because your platform ultimately is a verifiable card, which has a biometric so that we know a person -- once cleared and once vetted, we know the person who is coming and is in fact the person they say they are. You can do that with fingerprints, for example. You can build into the card an RF chip, or some kind of a capability so that if, in fact, the status changes, you can somehow decommission the card, or you can put a red flag up.


"And in the end if we create this kind of a platform, in theory it could roll out in the transportation area, in the critical infrastructure area, nuclear power plants, government buildings, and if we have it -- although we don't want to merge them necessarily in one database, if there's some interoperability and capability of speaking across the platforms, you might be able to carry a single card that will get you into a courthouse, get you into a government building, and get you into your job and in a minimum of invasion of your privacy and interference with your freedom of movement."

There you have it.

1:35 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

Wow, Indeed, cosmic.

That's a good find & post. This is the kind of info that needs to be widely availble for scrutiny, in the public domain.

It's in exctly the plain language I spoke of. This is 'it' - raw. This is the man. This is his thinking. This is his intention.

Control of the people. Total & absolute control.

You can bet that details of all our credit and/or debit cards will be included in these chips.

That way, they'll even be able to determine where & when shop, what you buy and even what you bloody well eat & drink - and how much.

Your library ticket ref numbers will likely find there way onto the chips too. So, they'll even know what you're reading.

I tell you, I'm not being overdramatic. I say again, the public as a whole have absolutely NO IDEA of the enormity of implications here.

2:53 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

Here's good piece from the UK's 'Daily Mirror'. It's by Paul Routledge. I like him a lot, because like myself, he's a TRUE Brit. [ Thought not yet as 'old' a Brit as I am.]

But, Routledge 'gets it' alright.


27 May 2005

HE can't have been more than 20 years old but he had a gun and he wasn't smiling. Decked out in camouflage gear, he stomped down the bus, demanding to see identity cards.

Dozens of hands instantly flew to pockets, pulling out passes the size of a credit card, containing a photograph and personal details.

The military cop took away about half a dozen cards to a control unit by the roadside, presumably to check with a central computer. Fifteen minutes later, he brought them back and we resumed our journey.


This incident took place right in front of me last week in Turkey, about 100 miles east of Ankara. From the attitude of those on board, it is a commonplace event, intimidating though it is to western eyes.

And this is what could happen here, under the ID card laws proposed by Tony Blair and his henchmen Home Secretary Charles Clarke and David Blunkett, who still cannot believe he is not Home Secretary.

"Nonsense!" they will say. "Absolute rubbish," Blunkers will foam. "It couldn't happen here."

No? An innocent man couldn't be shot dead by a police marksman in a London street for suspiciously carrying a table leg, either. But it happened and nobody was punished. They never are. So it will come to pass in our country.

If the ID law means anything, it will mean that people will be compelled to carry their cards and produce them at the request - or order - of anyone in authority but particularly the police.

Failure to do so, or to produce the card at some subsequent stage, as with driving licences, will become a criminal offence. Otherwise the system will not work - and the hard-faced men in the Home Office are determined that it will work.

It may start out as voluntary but you can't have half the population ignoring the onset of the ID state and the other half kow-towing to authority.

Ministers will link ID cards to passports, so you won't be able to travel abroad without doing the Home Secretary's bidding - and to benefits, so you go hungry or homeless for failing to sign up to the scheme.

And cards will cost at least £100 each - a straight theft of the entire weekly income of a pensioner couple.

This will be the reality of the ID state. In the same way that your use of store cards can be employed to detect what you spend and where, and where you live, ID cards will give the authorities power to keep track of your movements.

And this is why Labour and Opposition MPs who care about traditional British liberties must work together to frustrate the government's intentions.

Otherwise, expect a man in military fatigues to come marching down the bus looking for you.

3:49 pm  
Anonymous Rosemary said...

Richard, I sure did not mean to sound like I was dismissing your concerns. I have already been a victim.

I just wanted to tell you that opposition here actually is widespread and is getting some meaningful results so long as it is done locally.

What was done was preceded by public meetings. People came out in droves if they learned about the meetings, especially if no elected officials were in charge or even likely to be present.

I was amazed at how quickly lobbying was organized and financially supported.

This is one issue where the "Patriotism Card" (that has been so successfully used on the war issue itself) just did not phase people. Also interesting that political party loyalties were not at issue.

When you have got many hundreds of towns (large and small) saying officially that their police force will not enforce the Patriot Act, it means something.

The ID cards and chips are another matter. Education is necessary. Avenues of resistance are few. You can't avoid using the banking system and credit cards and driving a car and seeing a doctor.

1:33 pm  
Blogger Richard said...


Heh. We've had a bit of a misunderstanding here. I didn't think for one minute you were being dismissive - and if I seemed to suggest I did - that's 'my bad'.

I think the methods you mentioned as already being underway over there - are great.

What I intended to sugest/imply, was that EVERYTHING possible should be done to nip this kind of thing in the bud. Including both types of approach [along with any other good ideas that may come up].

Sorry if I came across as favouring or advocating one kind of action, at the expense of others.

Everything that everyone of us does to try to keep our personal freedoms, is important. Everything!

(Heh. Don't worry, we are still singing from the same 'hymn book'.)

2:28 pm  
Blogger JulieDee said...

Robert Heinlein once wrote :"When it becomes mandatory to carry an ID it's time to pull up stakes and leave."

Wise man. There are thousands of transgender people here in the USA who will not be able of get an ID because their birth certificates don't agree with their driver's license. What do THEY do?

n ANY CASE the whole thing stinks of the Stazi and 1984. I'm going to everything I can to fight it!

12:07 am  
Blogger JulieDee said...

OH! And Condom-lisa Puffed-Rice: "Democracy, a belief in liberty, a desire to be free is as natural as breathing. It is not that it is easy, but when has it ever been easy? In our country, the great author of liberty, Thomas Jefferson, said, "The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time."" HER talking about Democracy makes me sick. She wouldn't know Democracy if it smacked her up side the head. And I've heard a quote from Jefferson a little bit like that but it goes "The Creative Force that gave us life gave us liberty at the same time." Jefferson being a Deist, verging on an atheist was never known to have called upon the name of God directly. I'm a great student of Jefferson... and I really HATE it when people twist his words!

12:21 am  
Blogger Richard said...

Julie, Bush summed it all up a long time ago. Remember "Who cares what YOU think?"

He [and his ilk] don't give a sh*t for anyone except themselves - and their fortunes of course.

1:58 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

Twisting, spinning, killing, thieving, promising and lying - all those things are their 'stock in trade'.

2:00 pm  
Blogger JulieDee said...

Remember this exchange form Bush's FIRST Imperial Reign??

"I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the president. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation."
- President George W. Bush, May 2002

"Such hubris! Unmitigated arrogance. He's talking about the people here. That one little paragraph explains better than I could ever explain the contempt this man shows for the sovereignty of the people of this country."
- Sen Bob Byrd in response to Pres. Bush's May 2002 statement

And it just got worse from there.

7:37 pm  
Blogger Richard said...

Bingo, Julie !

7:40 pm  
Blogger Henry Holland said...

I like the possibilies for the ID card, actually. I'd make it compulsory to name the football team that you follow (if, indeed, you do follow one) and if the card says "Liverpool FC", that person gets a swift kick in the head.

Sounds fair, right?

Everton fan since 1980

(I'm kidding, of course)

8:33 am  
Blogger Richard said...

It's OK, Jim.

We Liverpudlians are a very tolerant lot. Heh. Actually, some of my best friends are Evertonians - as is my son.

I suppose each of us have at least one cross to bear, eh? Heh. ;^)

1:05 pm  
Blogger JulieDee said...

We Left Coasters have LONG memories when it comes to pure disregard for the voter! We do tend to take umbrage with that sort of thing...

6:26 pm  

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