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So Now Lets Hear It For/From A Singing Marine And Some Of His Sicko Sidekicks In Iraq - Via Video ...
Like many of our readers no doubt had, This Old Brit and Richard had heard about an absolutely abominable audio/video evidencing the apparently endemic barbarity of the Bush Cabal's Iraq invader-occupiers, in which a certain shitheaded, two-stripe scumbag without a soul, strums his guitar while singing his singularly shocking [some may even say Satanic], and sickeningly sadistic song.
If you ask us, this is about as bad as it gets.
It's a song about depravity, debauchery and butchery. The butchery of fellow human beings. The butchery of children.
The butchers being a bunch of big brave, good old US boys who barefacedly brag about being the very epitome of all things evil.
By which we mean that many of this singing shithouse's marine mates are laughing out loud while whooping, hooting, and hollering their approval -- as they listen to and look at their blood-brother-in-arms' puke inducing performance -- with undoubtedly unbridled glee and practically, pure pathological pleasure.
And as we expect so may more had quite understandably understood, we both believed this evidence had been wiped from the web, once and for all, by the sociopathic 21st century US powers that be.
But once we learned that wasn't the case, we straightway thought we should share this with you.
We'd also like you to share with us, in showing some sincere gratitude to Stan at Feral Scholar's site [which we can reliably report right here & now, is well worth visiting] for ferreting out this faeces.
So here it comes. Please feel free to weep as you watch & listen, since you certainly shan't be alone.
But before you go, here's a tiny teaser of this twisted twit of a cretinous corporal's stupendously, tasteless 'talents'.
I grabbed her little sister and put her in front of me.
As the bullets began to fly, the blood sprayed from between her eyes, and then I laughed maniacally ...I blew those little fuckers to eternity ...
They should have known they were fucking with the Marines.
Watch here, and wonder with us if this macho-man-Marine's family are suitably proud of him?
Likewise, their obnoxious offspring's uber-enthusiastic audience's families.
Eh?
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posted by Richard at Sunday, June 18, 2006
25 Comments:
This Old Brit:
This is amost certainly a hoax or a spoof (either way in very bad taste IMHO). The words and lipmovements don't match at all: the sound has been mixed over the video to create the impression this marine is singing this song: clearly though he isn't. Very disingenuous by whoever brought this out.
Slander can never by justified and hoaxes are a cause of much misery.
I'd check your source, if I was you.
If I'm wrong I apologise in advance.
Gert,
It's way out of synch, I know. That's because it's such an an amateur 'production'. But, the 'performance' has already been accepted/admitted by the service/officers.
I'll search for [several] other recent reports on this, but that will have to be after dinner.
Fwiw, I believe it. Of course, if I'm proven wrong I also apologise in advance.
I think you're mistaken, Gert. I watched the video carefully and although the audio is out of sync with the video, I could clearly see the marine's mouth forming the same words that I was hearing (the video is consistently trailing the audio by about a second).
I also have to say that I think too much is being made out of this. The first time I heard about the existence of this video, I was given the impression that the entire song was graphically devoted to glorifying the killing of children (granted, I think that was on Raw Story - a demonstrably sensationalist blog). I don't think that's a fair characterization of this performance. This is just crude, low-brow, graveyard humor. It's in bad taste, to be sure, but hasn't this sort of ghoulish humor been a hallmark of war zones for as long as there have been wars? This is just what happens when you put a bunch of kids with guns into an impossible situation: the machismo kicks in and the sick jokes ramps up. It's a psychological defense mechanism to humorize the ugliness of a situation that one is in, and you can't expect marines to have delicate sensibilities and subtlety. I realize I'm kind of pulling a Rummy here, but I think this is actually a case where you can chalk it up to a 'boys will be boys' sort of behavior.
Her ya go. Named & shamed. The guys admits it. But says it was just a joke! Some effing joke, eh?
Marine: Video, Song About Killing a 'Joke'
JACKSONVILLE, N.C. (AP) - A Marine corporal seen in a video singing about killing members of an Iraqi family says the song was a joke. Cpl. Joshua Belile apologized and said the song was not tied in any way to allegations that Marines killed as many as two dozen unarmed civilians in Haditha last year.
``It's a song that I made up and it was nothing more than something supposed to be funny, based off a catchy line of a movie,'' Belile, 23, said in Wednesday's Daily News of Jacksonville.
In a four-minute video called ``Hadji Girl,'' a singer who appears to be a Marine tells a cheering audience about gunning down members of an Iraqi woman's family after they confront him with automatic weapons.
A Marine spokesman said Tuesday that officers were investigating.
Lt. Col. Scott Fazekas said the Marine Corps didn't know the identity of the singer or whether he is in the military. He calling the song ``inappropriate and contrary to the high standards expected of all Marines.''
Neither Belile nor officials at his base in Cherry Point immediately returned calls Wednesday from The Associated Press. Neither did officials at Camp Lejeune, the Corps' major base on the Atlantic coast.
The song tells a story of a Marine who falls in love with an Iraqi girl and is taken to meet her family. The girl's family shoots her and then attacks the Marine, who uses her younger sister as a shield and watches blood spray from her head.
He then sings about blowing the father and brother ``to eternity.''
``I think it was a joke that is trying to be taken seriously,'' said Belile, who learned the video was on the Internet after he returned from Iraq in March.
Here's the link for the "Joke" defence.
http://channels.isp.netscape.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001/20060614/1247240750.htm
Boys will be boys, Stiff??
I'll bet the dead will be delighted to hear that. And that their bereaved families will be, too.
That guy is was and alway will be - a sick, shit. I'm sure glad he won't be cominmg home to live [and God knows what else] anywhere near where I live.
Richard, I'm not trying to suggest that this guy is OK and that if you met him face to face you'd probably like him. Not at all. All I'm saying is that the coverage this story has been getting in left blogistan seems to be presenting it in terms of the Abu Graib pictures, or the video of the British contractor shooting at civilians in traffic. This issue is just not at that level. This guy isn't singing about things he actually did. He's doing a comedy schtick. Yes, it's a tasteless, insensitive and crude, but that's all.
An army without discipline is an army out of control -- which means it's an army destined to fail.
Most modern Western armies have for a long time been trained and experienced in peace keeping duties.
The US army has not. That's one of the many reasons so many of it's men have died so needlessly.
AS for anon's comment, I'd say that not only is it destined for defeat - in the not too distant future - it deserves such a fate.
Without discipline it's not an army at all - it's at best an armed band of trigger happy killers - at worst, a rabble.
Gert,
Sorry it's not a hoax. But first of all to clear up a technical point:
Youtube is notorious for being very out of synch they consistently lag in time between images and word/sound.
I saw that one myself it's not even a little surprising to me. Some of it is "dark humour" of people in horrific situation yes. If you want black humour you go to nurses, policemen, soldiers .....
But most of all it does very much show some things:
The first is the complete contempt American soldiers have for the native population. This tallies with what I have got from them they hate the people they're fighting and they hate the population because they know the population hates them.
The second is the points dad and myself make repeatedly:
1) An army reflects the society from which they spring.
2) In order to become an imperialist a society must first decivilise itself.
WRT to your comment in the last thread yes that's what he's referring to. As to a European role - guilt by association for most of them,
Also while European defense is dominated by NATO or to put it another way by the US and the UK there isn't going to be a coherent policy. Except of course that both those countries are staring defeat in the face. That might give the window of opportunity for a properly European integration project with European interests and freedom at heart.
But its late and I'm need to sleep. I'll check back tomorrow.
Any changes made by dressing up
natuaral born thugs in military
uniforms are for the worse.
Also, to call certain country's armed forces 'defence forces' is about the blackest humour I've ever heard.
And thanks for educatingin the previous thread, mark
I'll emphasis Du's point that that soldier's behaviour and attitude springs from the culture around him. And that culture exists in the whole military culture which exists, springs from and is nurtured by the wider society from which it springs, in turn.
And the society's character is formed by what is encouraged and by what is discouraged by the society's leaders whether they be political, economic or religious.
It's one of those cases where things really do come from the top down.
Regarding the EU, the EU countries have been shown to be complicit in the US rendition flights and subsequent imprisonment and torture. Not much hope there I'm afraid.
To aid and abett such behaviour, these politicians and the organisations they spring from must be deeply corrupt, spineless and totally untrustworthy.
It's a case of "Never mind what they say, watch what they do"
Dubhaltach--
I think you nailed the problem with this video: it reflects the contempt that the soldiers have for the Iraqis.
I've seen worse, of course. There was the video of the soldier who laments the fact that he's not allowed to shoot the children who are throwing rocks at his vehicle. There's the video of the mercenaries shooting at random vehicles. But in the end, it all amounts to the same thing: heavily armed men, unleashed on a population that they view as subhuman.
A lot of people will cite the stress of warfare as a mitigating circumstance, but there is a group that has no such excuse: the 82nd Chairborne, gleefully posting the lyrics and video of the song and typing their approval from the safety of their mothers' basements.
All those excusing this stuff. See the pics of Iraqi kids?
Well, these soldier boys see and smell [and some DO] this stuff 1st hand, in all it's gory glory on a daily basis.
And they wanna joke about it?
And some wanna fucking defend and excuse them?
Those who do, are as bad as them. End of fucking story.
Amen, Gordo!
And Neil MacKay is at it again, too.
How are we going to fight a lovely war if bastards like him and that Pilger keep telling the truth?
http://www.sundayherald.com/56277
Anonymous said...
All those excusing this stuff. See the pics of Iraqi kids?
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And some wanna fucking defend and excuse them?
Those who do, are as bad as them. End of fucking story.
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I don't think anyone here is trying to defend or excuse them. Certainly not me. I just think there are far more important things to say about what's going on (although I think Gordo makes an important point about the 82nd Chairborne). For instance, that the US Army's Criminal Investigation Division determined that no further investigative effort was warranted in the case of the video of Aegis Defense Services security contractors firing on civilian vehicles:
http://heraldnet.com/stories/06/06/12/100wir_a3shooting001.cfm
The recent suicides at Guantanamo and the fact that the media has been denied further access to the prison:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13350594/
Bush's PR stunt of traveling to Iraq and the leaked memo from the US Embassy in Baghdad which details the worsening situation and which contradicts the neocon propaganda:
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002690071
Rumsfeld's quiet approval of 15000 fresh troops to be deployed in Iraq:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1205354,00.html
etc.
I acknowledge that this video is an ugly episode and I do condemn it (just not as vehemently as others). But I don't think that this is a smoking gun that will precipitate a change in US policy (or even make much headway in that regard). I don't even think it's that shocking. Maybe I'm just way more cynical than most people, but this is the sort thing I always assumed was going on in the barracks and around the mess hall. That's one reason why I was never interested in joining the military. I sincerely do not believe that there is a military force in the entire history of human civilization that did/does not have it's fair share of knuckleheads.
St!ff M!ttens,
I for one understand what you are saying. I think the length of time that one is exposed to a particular scandal or horror impacts on the choice of words used when reacting to it. So the "old hand's" words can be misinterpreted by a comparitively "new hand" as being blase when in fact it is a much deeper despair that has no words. Yet some form of normalcy is necessary for functioning so the horror is "normalised" to some extent in the words or views used.
What's not always appreciated is that the "old hand's" normal is way worse than the newcomer's who is outraged (and rightly so) at the difference between the scandal and their normal life and expectations.
I certainly hope no one is offended by these remarks. I am just trying to shine a light on what we are going through as human beings. We move from outrage to a bottomless sadness which, if not expressed in one way or another, leads to despair and inaction.
I am very thankful that Richard and others such as MFI provide these blogs which not only provide much needed truthful information but also allow us to make comments that express our anger and sadness that are necessary to keep going to urge and agitate for change.
And if St!ff M!ttens links aren't enough for ya - More from MacKay-
http://www.sundayherald.com/56278
While anon's choice of words wouldn't be my own I do understand what he's saying, and what he's feeling - and I'm right with him.
But then usually right with Richard\Old Brit and with the regular commenters.
I don't often comment personaly but read every edition and every comment.
So I was wrong: it happens only once a year and this year it came early (LOL)!
Seriously though, let's not fall into the trap of demonising people: that's exactly what our opponents do...
Someone once famously said there are only two certainties in life -- death and taxes.
They were wrong. There's a third.
Violence begets violence.
Exactly, bluey. If one wishes to defeat terrorism, one must first not be a terrorist.
Merikans are sick bastards, they have no respect for human beings and as for their claim to be Christians, well excuse me but i don't recall any of this conduct being exhorted. No, it all boils down to their sick society going down the tubes. Blacks, Hispanics, Vietnamese, Afghans, Iraqis. As long as they aint white folks they're fair game!!
Well, it had to happen sooner or later, I suppose.
I don't agree with everything posted in our comments compartment -- just about 99.5% of it.
That's not to say though, that I didn't [and still don't] think every single sentence wasn't as sensible, sincere and as welcomed by yours truly as is/was possible.
So, good, great, grand & so on. Now we have irrefutable evidence - actually on record -- that this is not just an echo chamber. Nor is it, like some other places, inhabited only by dumbass, ditto-heads.
But we already knew that, didn't we?
Seriously, several thousand thanks to all for your invaluable input.
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